New X-men

[Constellations]

Originally Posted by M.Bison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

Well played; touche good sir.

[JayDee]

Atleast the original movies had their moments. Like the twist where Jean/Phoenix destroys Professor X.

[snwbrdr642]

Originally Posted by M.Bison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have none of you heard of the Marvel Multiverse? Marvel has done this several times, characters associations and origins and even timelines are completely up to whoever is writing it. The characters in the movie exist in an alternate continuity then the characters you are all mentioning from the animated series. Although i dont know exactly which continuity, or "universe" this movie takes place in, the fact that it lacks continuity with other films/comics means little really. I mean, look at the Noir alternate continuity, the xmen are a bunch of juvenile delinquents using their mutant powers for evil, and the head detective tracking them down is magneto...Does that follow any movie or cartoon you've ever seen? If you try and compare and criticize this movie based on the other movies/comics/cartoons you've seen, it's never going to be as good as them, because it is different. Just take it for face value. If you didn't like it that's fine, but not liking it because it "didn't stay true to the personalities of many of the popular characters, and they even had trouble staying continuous with the recent X-men movies" is dumb imo.

yeah but they're not coming up with a new story line or new continuity. they are taking the "x-men first class" comic book series story and making it fit into a movie forum. if they were being inventive i could cut them some slack but they're butchering a story with blockbuster hopes.

also, i for one am not complaining that they adapted the comic, i'm complaing about how they adaptad the comic. and i think that critiquing an adaptation (in particular how that adaptation compares to the original) is a valid critique. especially when the subject is a comic book where cannon and continuity are of utmost importance even within the multiverse. for yes there are multiple story arcs, but you dont see 1 series drawing from others, in other words they don't mix and match.

EDIT: and believe it or not i know next to nothing about comics, i just lived with a die hard comic nerd for a few years. everything i know is just from talking to him.

[Nocte]

Originally Posted by snwbrdr642 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, i for one am not complaining that they adapted the comic, i'm complaing about how they adaptad the comic.

They didn't really adapt the comic so much as reuse the name of a series in publication. The original First Class consisted of the original 5 X-Men from 1963 (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, Iceman). The series currently in publication is considered canon and follows the original characters as they were imagined in 1963, with better art and writing because the comic book industry has grown into a medium that is taken seriously (or more than it was 50 years ago, anyway).

Your example of X-Men Noir is a strong point, but consider that the police were corrupt (and run by Magneto) in that series, and the X-Men just wanted to be left alone with their own kind. They are still battling a world that hates them, and Magneto is the main antagonist, who runs the area of interest under martial law (well, in the comics he's trying to achieve this, but close enough). Even with the other Marvel Noir series, they tend to leave the characters' personalities in line with their "real" counterpart and change some other facet of the environment that isn't so wholly connected to the reader's understanding of the character. Wolverine, in any universe, isn't going to be a happy-go-lucky guy with no problems. He's a grumpy asshole in every iteration. He's going to call someone "Bub," or make a comment that reminds the reader of his catchphrase(s).

Back on topic, though, I don't understand why, after almost 50 years of storytelling Marvel has had with these characters, that a single screenwriter hasn't taken something canon and made a decent X-Men movie out of it. (No, fuck you; none of them were good, some just sucked less than the others). I refuse to believe that in five decades of writing there isn't material that could be made into a fuck ton of acceptable films based on the franchise.

[Goofier]

Originally Posted by Nocte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back on topic, though, I don't understand why, after almost 50 years of storytelling Marvel has had with these characters, that a single screenwriter hasn't taken something canon and made a decent X-Men movie out of it. (No, fuck you; none of them were good, some just sucked less than the others). I refuse to believe that in five decades of writing there isn't material that could be made into a fuck ton of acceptable films based on the franchise.

Bravo. Why didn't they just make Days of Future Past?

[WizardEQ]

Saw it with my two young boys, and they said it was the "best one ever!"

As the "fifth" one in the series, it's hard to see this as the best. Overall it had its entertaining moments. It also had some dull, uninteresting ones, but the development of Magneto was pretty well done I guess.

There had to be other X-men obviously, and they seemed like peripheral characters. Mystic was pretty central (as she should be) and her wavering alliance was important to reveal.

5/10

[Messianic]

I haven't gone to see it because I know it's going to suck. I read what they tried to do and it's not worth the $$ to go see if they managed to pull it off.

They don't even have any really good actors who could salvage this.

[Kassel]

Did not like, Earth 616 (the main universe we often read about) this is not.

The way they crippled the prof was just horrible, the event, the acting, the idea, the aftermath was done in such a piss poor way it really hurt the movie for me. I did not care about any Xmen, hoped more would die but knew they would not.

Emma Frost (bazInga! ) was my fav char however the Hellfire club could have been "cooler".

[Constellations]

Originally Posted by Kassel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did not like, Earth 616 (the main universe we often read about) this is not.

The way they crippled the prof was just horrible, the event, the acting, the idea, the aftermath was done in such a piss poor way it really hurt the movie for me. I did not care about any Xmen, hoped more would die but knew they would not.

Emma Frost (bazInga! ) was my fav char however the Hellfire club could have been "cooler".

I was actually upset and burst out saying "THATS NOT HOW THAT HAPPENS" in the theatre when Xavier got shot.

[vinx]

^^

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone watched X-men in my generation unless you were a punk bitch

and, LOL
by the time the toons rolled out i thought the same thing about those that watched different versions/stories then what was happening in the comics

i didnt watch or read much of x-men, but if it was anything like the spidey/cpt america toons then the story was basically there but the series was laughable