The Homeless Solution - Page 4

unsunghero · #1 12-08-2021, 07:46 PM

I’ve already gone over this with you guys, you must not remember. What happened in the past doesn’t matter, what matters now is mostly the cost, and the idea of human rights

Has anyone here had to deal with a family member with dementia? If you want to place them in a memory care unit or a nursing home, and they don’t want to go, do you know the conservatorship process? In case you never had to deal with it, here’s how it goes:

1. Get 2 different doctors to sign off saying this person is no longer mentally competent to make medical decisions for themself

2. Hire a lawyer to prepare the paperwork for conservatorship. YOU CANNOT DO THIS YOURSELF. And you are looking at at LEAST $2,000 in legal fees

3. There will be a court date and a a process where a court will eventually grant a person or public fiduciary conservatorship

Ok? Not easy. Now repeat that process for tens of thousands of homeless people. You need to legally remove their American right to self-determination to force them into a mental health institution and that’s expensive and a hassle

When I say expensive, it’s nothing compared to the costs to house them. What’s rent looking like these days? How about rent in a Hospital building? Ever seen how expensive it is to stay overnight in a medical hospital? Now multiply that by 365 for every day of the year

That’s just rent. What about paying the nurses (because you will still need medical staff) and licensed clinical social workers to work there’s salary? Maintenance on the bullring? Liability insurance?

Who’s going to pay for that? You think private insurance companies are going to want to foot the bill for a treatment that has no end date? A treatment that promises no recovery? Fuuuuuck no

So does money printer go brrr? Or do we just go to the Democrat honeypot, the make believe solution to all the world’s problems of just stealing money from rich people?

The costs and the issue of legally removing people’s rights are the barriers nowadays in our modern society

Jibartik · #2 12-08-2021, 07:57 PM

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Look obviously both sides are the bad guy in just about any political discussion, and that's no less true here. But again, just a basic understanding of history shows that it was Republican forces that were largely responsible for why we have millions of crazy homeless people in the streets instead of in institutions.

Another quote from your link:

Totally disagree, the republicans couldn't even have a say in it had the democrat's short sighted hate of private industry hadn't allowed them. So if you want to say "largely" then lets point the reason we're even discussing it.

Decade after decade. This is the legacy of democrat politics. A complete lack of understanding of value that this country has in its incredible economic system. Or the effects of putting power in the hands of politics.

For thousands of years of bureaucracy man sat idle building castles out of stone, then capitalism comes around and now we're buying doggie coins and sending men to space.

Politics doesn't solve everything, because the only thing it can do is cut the baby in half.

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unsunghero · #3 12-08-2021, 08:08 PM

If any of you are feeling suicidal and want to go into an inpatient behavioral health hospital, and you want to pay out of pocket, your expected cost will run about $2,000-$5,000 per day you stay. The average stay is about 1 week, so that’s going to run you about $21,000 for the week (I went with $3k/day)

Google estimates there are about 550,000 homeless in the USA. Let’s assume 50% are mentally ill to the point of incapable of caring for themselves

Legal fees to remove their human rights = $2,000 per person so 2,000 * 275,000 = 550million, that’s just to remove their rights

Now the meat and potatoes, the cost to treat them. There are 52 weeks in a year * 21,000$ per week inpatient mental health treatment = $1,092,000

1,092,000 (cost to treat a person for a full year inpatient for mental health) * 275,000(number of homeless needing this) = $303,300,000,000 + 550,000,000 (cost to take away their rights) = $303,850,000,000

$303 billion 850 million

This is why the government has decided it’s more cost effective to let them die on the street and occasionally kill others

Whale biologist · #4 12-08-2021, 09:10 PM

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$303 billion 850 million

CYOA:

That's half of what we spend on the military!

That's 19 times what we spend on American farmers!

Jibartik · #5 12-08-2021, 09:17 PM

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CYOA:

That's half of what we spend on the military!

That's 19 times what we spend on American farmers!

color me surprised when people dont want to give drug addicts' that much except religious organizations.

Swish · #6 12-11-2021, 06:46 PM

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color me surprised when people dont want to give drug addicts' that much except religious organizations.

That tiny wedge for education, it's sad.

Whale biologist · #7 12-11-2021, 06:59 PM

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That tiny wedge for education, it's sad.

Used to be they wanted the federal out of education entirely, back when conservatives were men, before the tromp transition.

robayon · #8 12-08-2021, 08:54 PM

Capitalism is indeed a death cult

Homesteaded · #9 12-10-2021, 12:53 AM

99% boys...not 100%

Thanks

Gravydoo II · #10 12-11-2021, 01:19 PM

That price projection is completely insane. Thats not reality, stop it. If we can run prisons with medical and mental health facilities for under 40k per prisoner, we can do it with homeless people.

Why would you do inpatient at those stupid prices? The problem is the god damn prices for medical treatment are out of fucking control. That needs to be handled, first.

Outpatient programs start at around 150 dollars to get on methodone and shit. The total is about 350 a month, per person, to give em a drug to keep them sober. Then housing, then food etc. Its not no 1 mil per person per year, thats crazy.

The bandits that will write the contracts will give kick backs and charge the government 3x what it would everyone else so we all have to pay for it. Thats the problem, too. Of course the contract will go to some friend of the governor or something, his brother in laws niece will own the company etc.. It will never work in ameirca. Too corrupt.