Tracker FTE concessions

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because a big enough guild would sit at and camp most of the important spawns and lock them down. You don't want that poopsock nightmare.

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.

You aren't understanding the rules. The only rule is you can't have multiple FTEs in the PNP. It doesn't say your guild can't have multiple camps. You are looking at the rules for groups.

[Ovaltine]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

Hell, there is nothing stopping the GMs from 'trying something' for a couple weeks or a month. Take away all rules in raid zones for a month. No PNP no petitions, nothing. See how that works out. Maybe guilds will crawl back asking for the rules again, or maybe not idk but it sounds like chaos and fun. Maybe try no raid rules but PNP in effect for 2 weeks. Try some shit out, it has to be better than whats goin on now.

[starkind]

You need a PHD in everquest law to run a guild, raid.

Classic gatekeeping.

Also none of those guilds existed when I started playing.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need a PHD in everquest law to run a guild, raid.

Classic gatekeeping.

Also none of those guilds existed when I started playing.

also no one cares about you

all your characters on red and green never made past level 10

[Convict]

I agree with OP. Theres issues with many of the rules on p99. They were put there for a reason. Tracker fte is there for obvious reasons. Cant have people logging chars in camped at KT or statue and getting insta fte and pull to zoneline. But the problem is when stuff like accidental ones that aren't breaking the spirit of the rule are still insta-concedes and dumb imo.

The other big really dumb rule imo is the 97% rule that exists for the non-call of the zero rooted dragons (yeli and doze) and also Zlandi since its a coth race solo engage, the spirit of the rule there is to prevent an insta engage with a bunch of DA's while they coth their force in effectively blocking FTE and stalling a fight they arent ready for yet. It makes sense, but its dumb when its abused by competing guilds when the spirit of the rule isnt being broken i.e. when its used against a guild that does have a tank on the mob with a heal chain going and dps are actively killing it but just dont have the dps to manage to get it to 97% fast enough and are forced to drop by greedy fuck guilds which are essentially abusing the rule to try and steal a mob they weren't even ready for themselves. This rule also needs to be fixed.

[Scalem]

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with OP. Theres issues with many of the rules on p99. They were put there for a reason. Tracker fte is there for obvious reasons. Cant have people logging chars in camped at KT or statue and getting insta fte and pull to zoneline. But the problem is when stuff like accidental ones that aren't breaking the spirit of the rule are still insta-concedes and dumb imo.

The other big really dumb rule imo is the 97% rule that exists for the non-call of the zero rooted dragons (yeli and doze) and also Zlandi since its a coth race solo engage, the spirit of the rule there is to prevent an insta engage with a bunch of DA's while they coth their force in effectively blocking FTE and stalling a fight they arent ready for yet. It makes sense, but its dumb when its abused by competing guilds when the spirit of the rule isnt being broken i.e. when its used against a guild that does have a tank on the mob with a heal chain going and dps are actively killing it but just dont have the dps to manage to get it to 97% fast enough and are forced to drop by greedy fuck guilds which are essentially abusing the rule to try and steal a mob they weren't even ready for themselves. This rule also needs to be fixed.

Wait it isn’t classic to wait for yellow text on three mobs then start your stop watch and pray it hits 60 seconds so you can scream for someone else to drop the mob?

[Convict]

Originally Posted by Scalem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait it isn’t classic to wait for yellow text on three mobs then start your stop watch and pray it hits 60 seconds so you can scream for someone else to drop the mob?

idk guess so. Pretty sure seal team loves this rule, I've heard they have been able to force Kingdom to drop dozekar and yelinak on more than one occasion despite kingdom not stalling and having an active tank and heals running with dps on the mob soon as FTE went out but since they only have like 2 rogues they werent able to hit 97% immediately which was proceeded very quickly by some jackass officer in seal team spamming zone chat demanding they drop it. Very dumb. Still not as bad as blue raid scene tho

[Tunabros]

can we all admit that the player base itself ruined p99 raiding?

it was never great or fun in the first place

[Chortles Snortles]

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