HOW BOUT THAT DC BOMBER????

[Jibartik]

oh my god I live in a country where were arguing that

WHITES do more terrorism

no NON whties do more terrorism

will you two start blowing each other up all ready

I feel like the dad in that 70s show

[Ooloo]

Well reality and the truth matters if you're crafting policy or trying to move forward, which "progressives" purport to want to do, but they take stances that move backward.

Here's what happens:

Somebody says White people commit terrorisms too!

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

And then I get banned for responding, even though the other person is the one racializing things in the first place. I'm not like running around yelling "brown people are doing bad terrors!!" unprovoked. We are a very dumb species.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

A depraved heart. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well reality and the truth matters if you're crafting policy or trying to move forward, which "progressives" purport to want to do, but they take stances that move backward.

Here's what happens:

Somebody says White people commit terrorisms too!

And then I say "yeah but it barely matters"

And then I get banned for responding, even though the other person is the one racializing things in the first place. I'm not like running around yelling "brown people are doing bad terrors!!" unprovoked. We are a very dumb species.

The problem is mass murder doesn't really have a constant, fixed definition

Some define it as x amount KILLED in a single shooting, others, like this wikipedia page, identify it as x amount SHOT in a single shooting, in this case 4 or more in a single incident, including the perpetrator

This definition of only people SHOT, not killed, will produce a large number of mass shootings in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...States_in_2020

Now let's add up the total amount of dead from mass shootings in 2020 from wikkipedia using this form of definition: 521


Let's compare to the total numbers of murders in 2020: "A 25 percent increase in murder in 2020 would mean the United States surpassed 20,000 murders in a year for the first time since 1995. (The final official numbers for 2020 will not be released until late September.)" (source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/u...-rate-usa.html)

So, to not double up, let's subtract from the total murders, the total deaths from mass shootings: 20,000 - 521 = 19,479


521 versus 19,479. Remember the sesame street song "One of these numbers is not like the other!"


So even with this very encompassing definition of mass shootings, yes, they are largely insignificant compared to simple murder, in terms of the risk to the public

[unsunghero]

Now let's do Suicide, the total number of suicide deaths in the USA in 2020 was 48,344 (https://chapterland.org/wp-content/u...ures_Flyer.pdf)

In terms of risk, the rankings would look something like:

So suicide deaths: 48,344
Murders that weren't mass shootings: 19,479
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Other causes of death
Mass shootings: 521


Therefore, the biggest risk to you is yourself. The second biggest are the people immediately around you, since most murderers are someone within the victim's community or has a personal knowledge of them. And farrrrrrr down that list, are terrorists and mass murderers

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A depraved heart. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously I mean it "barely matters" relative to other forms of innocent people dying. I think we all agree; innocent people dying is bad. We want less of it. Therefor it is incoherent to focus on a very small number, while ignoring an insanely larger number.

Please see: Black Lives Matter totally ignoring the black on black murder rate while claiming to care about black lives. The hypocrisy is so insanely stark and obvious, and then guilt ridden dorks get uncomfortable about reality and start banning everyone who is trying to actually fix problems.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously I mean it "barely matters" relative to other forms of innocent people dying. I think we all agree; innocent people dying is bad. We want less of it. Therefor it is incoherent to focus on a very small number, while ignoring an insanely larger number.

Please see: Black Lives Matter totally ignoring the black on black murder rate while claiming to care about black lives. The hypocrisy is so insanely stark and obvious, and then guilt ridden dorks get uncomfortable about reality and start banning everyone who is trying to actually fix problems.

All BLM ever had to do was simply say, “yes black on black crime is a much bigger problem in terms of lives lost, but we have no idea how to fix it. Police brutality is something we believe we can change”

I would respect them so much more if they said thst

But instead we get stuff like “Don’t change the subject, we’re not talking about that! Why are you trying to deflect you fucking white supremacist?!”

[Ooloo]

It really is totally scandalous. We're led to believe voter ID is bad when the *majority* of black americans support it. We're led to believe cops are hunting down black men when the *majority* of black americans want either the same or MORE police presence in their neighborhoods. The idea that less police = less crime is so unfathomably retarded.

As usual, a bunch of crazy people are setting the narrative for the rest of us.

You need to fear the cops- you don't need to fear the dude who is about to mug you and possibly kill you cause there are no cops around. Totally ass backward completely insane and idiotic thinking.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really is totally scandalous. We're led to believe voter ID is bad when the *majority* of black americans support it. We're led to believe cops are hunting down black men when the *majority* of black americans want either the same or MORE police presence in their neighborhoods. The idea that less police = less crime is so unfathomably retarded.

As usual, a bunch of crazy people are setting the narrative for the rest of us.

You need to fear the cops- you don't need to fear the dude who is about to mug you and possibly kill you cause there are no cops around. Totally ass backward completely insane and idiotic thinking.

I personally haven’t heard BLM ask for no cops. Maybe shifting budget from police to social services, but definitely not no cops

They demand more accountability (I have no problem with this), reviews of particular restraints like choke holds (this is a shitty idea, when less lethal ways to subdue isn’t an option that bumps it up to lethal only), police to be from their own community only (I have no problem with this, but they would, once they realize they’d have huge shortages of cops without being able to commute from other cities, and huge response times)

Those are the demands I’ve heard. The problem is that this isn’t a compromise, and a compromise is the best way to resolve an issue. Had it been a compromise, I think it would be fair for police to say “ok we’ll do all that. We want you to resist arrest less”

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally haven’t heard BLM ask for no cops. Maybe shifting budget from police to social services, but definitely not no cops

They demand more accountability (I have no problem with this), reviews of particular restraints like choke holds (this is a shitty idea, when less lethal ways to subdue isn’t an option that bumps it up to lethal only), police to be from their own community only (I have no problem with this, but they would, once they realize they’d have huge shortages of cops without being able to commute from other cities, and huge response times)

Those are the demands I’ve heard. The problem is that this isn’t a compromise, and a compromise is the best way to resolve an issue. Had it been a compromise, I think it would be fair for police to say “ok we’ll do all that. We want you to resist arrest less”

Police are fine, when they screw up they generally do get prosecuted. The problem is criminals committing violent crime. Don't do that, and you'll have all the shit you claim to want.

It's always so funny to me that people bitch about rich people having too much money, but like, you're saying poor people should have more money. So at what point exactly does a poor person become an oppressor if they start to do well? Are there any good rich people? And if so, why are they good? Nobody touches those questions.