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[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we are going to regret leaving, mark my words.

Saying, "He made me do it" is some chicken shit shit to do, for a president.

1st paragraph - lol yikes.

2nd: gibberish, like I explained very clearly. he didn't say "he made me do it". he said he was not going to continue into a 3rd decade of war for a people who do not feel it worth fighting. You have a syndrome dude, you are obsessed with Donald Trump

[Jibartik]

I still would argue that this is blamey:

There was only the cold reality of either following through on the agreement to withdraw our forces or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat in Afghanistan

That sounds to me that if he didnt do it, we would be going back into a war, how am I wrong about that?

"all I could do in this cold harsh position I am stuck in, is either go through with its assnine plan, or be forced into a war"

Can we at least admit that this is some passive aggressive shit?

[Thorgrimm]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still would argue that this is blamey:



That sounds to me that if he didnt do it, we would be going back into a war, how am I wrong about that?

He's setting up a classic strawman

We didn't need to reignite the war there. He inherited a plan and while he chose to continue with the spirit of the plan, he radically changed it and it blew up in his face

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still would argue that this is blamey:



That sounds to me that if he didnt do it, we would be going back into a war, how am I wrong about that?

"all I could do in this cold harsh position I am stuck in, is either go through with its assnine plan, or be forced into a war"

Can we at least admit that this is some passive aggressive shit?

i am willing to admit it may be passive-aggressive memetic signalling, especially since it caught your eye so acutely. there is stuff like that in there. However I think he or anyone would be hard pressed to not call the question of withdrawal, leaving many to die and culture to wash away, a cold hard one. I think ur right tho, he didn't namecheck Bush did he? So I'll admit that, but in reality, when the adults enter the room, I think both parties can agree that the Trump agreement was an excellent thing and virtually ended the very prolific bloodshed in the last months of the occupation. I certainly do admit that achievement, and I'm on Biden train here. It's not even Trump's doing except agreeing to accept, it's really more of a diplomatic service achievement and everyone up there knows that.

I think where you are going awry here is by assuming us leaving is a bad thing. The sin is that we stayed so long that there is much life dependent on us. In point of fact, it is staying so long trying to leave peacefully and from a "good position" which has led us to this position of total prostration. At a certain point there must be a deadline, a hard cut, and the hard breaks must be made. This horror is the fruit of empire, and it is only postponeable and grows with age like compound interest measured in human suffering. This is why it is wrong. Blood gushes forth as we finally remove our blade from the belly of a free nation. It was never going to look any different, the back-stroke of stabbing our sword murderously into another nation of human beings, arriving with proclamations of how they must now live.

[imperiouskitten]

I do wish more had been done to evac people. I think there was some serious shrugging involved here. Biden is the shrug president. But empty and apathetic as he is, his penchant for theatre and a GREAT speechwriter hit the heart of the matter really well.

My question is, is it within the Executive's power TO evac people and draw down? Or is he dealing with a rigid apparatus, the only way of interfacing with which is yanking the entire cord out of the socket? Not sure his level of complicity, but there is a possibility that this was the only heroic or good act USA has done in a while. Taking the PR disaster on the chin and not retaliating. The harder the pro-war folks like Jibartik holler, the harder it will be to resist that retaliation. I wish him steadfast there.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do wish more had been done to evac people. I think there was some serious shrugging involved here. Biden is the shrug president. But empty and apathetic as he is, his penchant for theatre and a GREAT speechwriter hit the heart of the matter really well.

My question is, is it within the Executive's power TO evac people and draw down? Or is he dealing with a rigid apparatus, the only way of interfacing with which is yanking the entire cord out of the socket? Not sure his level of complicity, but there is a possibility that this was heroic.

no one gives a shit about some afghan stuck in kabul

literally no one

im glad they evac'd the military dogs out (every single damn one of em) before some non-american got on a plane

yes that means i value us-trained german shepherd K9 bomb sniffers more than i do afghan people - fight me

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no one gives a shit about some afghan stuck in kabul

literally no one

im glad they evac'd the military dogs out (every single damn one of em) before some non-american got on a plane

yes that means i value us-trained german shepherd K9 bomb sniffers more than i do afghan people - fight me

Who will collaborate with us if we throw them to the wolves when it's over?

[Jibartik]

This tribulation is playing out nicely.

[Jibartik]

There that's all I am saying, I think it shows incredible lack of character to have brought him up in that particularl speech. In the next one that'd be FINE!

But that one I was looking for some leadership and I cant back a leader that navel gazes about his lot in life.

So that's why I didnt like this speach, but to each our own it was just a speech in the end.

I want to see someone take some god damn responsibility and solace. I dont like tough guy Biden.

Obama would have made me feel like a god damned American.

Id have walked away going 'damn it was my fault we have to be better'

[imperiouskitten]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There that's all I am saying, I think it shows incredible lack of character to have brought him up in that particularl speech. In the next one that'd be FINE!

But that one I was looking for some leadership and I cant back a leader that navel gazes about his lot in life.

So that's why I didnt like this speach, but to each our own it was just a speech in the end.

I want to see someone take some god damn responsibility and solace. I dont like tough guy Biden.

Obama would have made me feel like a god damned American.

Id have walked away going 'damn it was my fault we have to be better'

best performance an American president has given maybe in my lifetime. I am so sorry you are too busy thinking about Trump! I think you are obsessed with meaning you have read into a very small thing here, and I am only admitting that I find it theoretically possible btw and even then, it is so subtle that it's impossible to know if Biden intended it when his writer wrote it. Your conclusions, therefore, no supported [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] just mad at the air. compromise is supposed to be both people yield a little, I yield you observe possible real thing I had not considered. It is not enough to color an important speech about real things