A dark truth.

[magnetaress]

Ubi also could technically fall into like 7, 7a or 7b, 7c. I can think of 7a: health, 7b purpose, 7c UBI, or reverse those

7a) ubi
7b) purpose
7c) health

Because those are related. UBI is just Maslow's hierarchy of needs to me.

If you're a UBI tru believer that's my suggestion.

I'm still very skeptical of UBI because there IS plenty on this earth. I have money. It's doing me no good. Poison and health. I'm doing what I can but many others aren't even able to be simply aware yet.

[Nexii]

UBI would let people get away from their abusers. Often times they stay for financial reasons.

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

UBI would let people get away from their abusers. Often times they stay for financial reasons.

This would be my hope as well. That is so hard. Especially when family dynamics come into play and for children.

My mom could have financially separated but dad, grandparents threatened us with custody battles. So she decided to be there in my life. Rather than leave me completely alone at the mercy of my tormenter.

My grandmother was a good influence but the oof of being left alone with my father was tempting fatality.

[Nexii]

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This would be my hope as well. That is so hard. Especially when family dynamics come into play and for children.

My mom could have financially separated but dad, grandparents threatened us with custody battles. So she decided to be there in my life. Rather than leave me completely alone at the mercy of my tormenter.

My grandmother was a good influence but the oof of being left alone with my father was tempting fatality.

Well that's another problem. Minors are treated like property rather than having any agency on what family member(s) they would rather live with.

[Cecily]

Yeah I don't see ubi fixing my life and can't really imagine mental health care reform because it would take a total system overhaul and I don't think any of us are the new freud. I do have big hopes for fecal transplants / microbiome research leading to real mental illness treatments though. In the mean time

[magnetaress]

@Cecily plz don't buy a gun

[Jibartik]

here is the next 7 years:

Hyper inflation
Banning of crypto because terrorism/fear of crime
UBI
everyone is beheaded
jesus shows up!

Big party

[imperiouskitten]

im just larping out some frustration because i am heinously sick, so dont be mad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] i'm right tho of course, Reagan's welfare queen meme still dictates your entire political pov magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] it's literally the only thing you have to say about politics or economics, ever. I think u should think about that. It always comes back to how some people will still fuck up no matter how lucky. like, we know. Just try putting that one single thought down for a little while, maybe think about others, like people who aren't a locus for your hatred.

As one poster alluded to, UBI will not immediately fix the lives of ppl with oppositional defiant disorder, psychosis or parapsychosis, profound spiritual/ethical problems which are actively reinforced by the person out of a hatred or nihilism whose source seems boundless and infinite and unexplainable, fanatical adherence to poisonous ideology, or other deeply entrenched mental illnesses & fatal, lifelong character flaws. Nothing can help that person but God, in time, almost certainly with an awful lot of suffering. Perhaps even more suffering than can be had in one lifetime. No political measure will rescue those people and make them whole.

But imagine the same person growing up in a less tortured world. With parents, grandparents, or even great ancestors who were freer to associate with whom they chose, and less rigidly guided by their nearness to starvation. Surrounded by people who were less stressed, who didnt need to fret about anything more immediate than maybe getting sick or something. With the freedom to invest in themselves exactly as they intend, without having to stop for 10 years to have their brains chopped & screwed by torturous wage-slaving that drove them into the arms of drugs, or hurtful ideology, or an abusive partner who could offer more security. Who could take the time to experience the big things that can't be had without months or years free from grinding away, if their spiritual development so required.

it's a profoundly bigger question than what would flat-billed hat-wearing floridian oxy addicts do, oh I bet it would be extra gross. profoundly bigger

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by imperiouskitten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im just larping out some frustration because i am heinously sick, so dont be mad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] i'm right tho of course, Reagan's welfare queen meme still dictates your entire political pov magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] it's literally the only thing you have to say about politics or economics, ever. I think u should think about that. It always comes back to how some people will still fuck up no matter how lucky. like, we know. Just try putting that one single thought down for a little while, maybe think about others, like people who aren't a locus for your hatred.

As one poster alluded to, UBI will not immediately fix the lives of ppl with oppositional defiant disorder, psychosis or parapsychosis, profound spiritual/ethical problems which are actively reinforced by the person out of a hatred or nihilism whose source seems boundless and infinite and unexplainable, fanatical adherence to poisonous ideology, or other deeply entrenched mental illnesses & fatal, lifelong character flaws. Nothing can help that person but God, in time, almost certainly with an awful lot of suffering. Perhaps even more suffering than can be had in one lifetime. No political measure will rescue those people and make them whole.

But imagine the same person growing up in a less tortured world. With parents, grandparents, or even great ancestors who were freer to associate with whom they chose, and less rigidly guided by their nearness to starvation. Surrounded by people who were less stressed, who didnt need to fret about anything more immediate than maybe getting sick or something. With the freedom to invest in themselves exactly as they intend, without having to stop for 10 years to have their brains chopped & screwed by torturous wage-slaving that drove them into the arms of drugs, or hurtful ideology, or an abusive partner who could offer more security. Who could take the time to experience the big things that can't be had without months or years free from grinding away, if their spiritual development so required.

it's a profoundly bigger question than what would flat-billed hat-wearing floridian oxy addicts do, oh I bet it would be extra gross. profoundly bigger

Sans the personal defamation and attack on my character I pretty much agree even with the regancentric perspective you paint me with. I get it. It's not personal.

My pogroms wouldn't be abusive or forceful or punishing if I had the resources at my disposal to actually safely help people manage their death loops.

Just for shits and giggles tho.

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Love u. Tho. And thanks for the light and enlightenment you bring. Plz don't tear me back down because you think I want to force ppl to get aids. Or use guns. I absolutely do not.

BTW I agree with neither Marx nor Reagan here. Now isn't the time for revolution or war, or complete submission to the state. Both of those are extreme examples. UBI sounds better.

People could practice better firearms safety though. Locks are reasonable. Not telling people where our guns are is smart too. I believe the majority are indeed capable of that with few exceptions, whom we'd restrict accordingly after they where proven otherwise incapable.

[magnetaress]

P.s. I didn't vote for Biden in the primary but I did vote for the women and side discussing this with compassion and integrity. I didn't vote against UBI or anti-anything.

I'm not the horrible monster you're painting me as and I am hurt you called me hateful.