SK and paladin, which one do you honestly think is better

[Crede]

I think paladins are the better class on paper. However having fd, hide, and instant invis is just so nice especially for people who like to afk on demand. And Ogre sks are like the ultimate fd splitters.

[Gustoo]

It depends what you wanna do.

For most of the time being an ogre is a lot better than being any of the paladin races.

At max gear any hybrid is a hoot. Ranger, paladin, sk all are quite awesome

I like how for 2021 everyone is coming around to hybrids it’s gunna be like 1999 again when everyone was a ranger or pally. Love it

[Naethyn]

Most of the best shadowknights are playing other classes while equipping their knights. Paladins have an endgame buff divine strength. Both are bad.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the best shadowknights are playing other classes while equipping their knights. Paladins have an endgame buff divine strength. Both are bad.

Situationally good, otherwise those players probably wouldn't be raid gearing their knights? Seems like a waste of DKP otherwise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Situationally good, otherwise those players probably wouldn't be raid gearing their knights? Seems like a waste of DKP otherwise.

Yes, Knights are generally the best tanks in solo/duo/group situations, unless a Warrior or Monk is extremely well geared. Gearing up a Knight is a LOT cheaper DKP wise than gearing up a Warrior or Monk, so it is the easier path to gear up a Knight if you want a great solo/duo/group tank.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, Knights are generally the best tanks in solo/duo/group situations, unless a Warrior or Monk is extremely well geared. Gearing up a Knight is a LOT cheaper DKP wise than gearing up a Warrior or Monk, so it is the easier path to gear up a Knight if you want a great solo/duo/group tank.

Aye, and those upgrades will have a noticeable/more pronounced effect, bridging the gap between the two classes hybrids are derived from, but the gap is still wide even then. The stronger the class is solo, the less noticeable the effect from gear. And since most purecasters and priests can single-player mode from 1-60 without issue, and raid mode once 50+, gear is superfluous. While certain high-end items can make a big difference for them, those classes are still more useful than hybrids either way. Disciplines also lessened the strictest requirements for gear on pure melee classes. The numbers are there, but they don't account for everything.

So, for not having the spells and abilities that primary classes are known for, hybrids (excluding bards) are generally considered bad. And by that standard, I would tend to agree. But if that's how bad is defined, than every option in classic is terrible compared to live.

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Situationally good, otherwise those players probably wouldn't be raid gearing their knights? Seems like a waste of DKP otherwise.

Thinking of it the wrong way.

They're playing useful chars in raids to eventually spend their DKP to gear their knights so they can go enjoy the game outside the raid scene.

Hitting CH on an uber geared cleric doesn't feel any cooler than on a crap geared cleric bot. Doing solo / single group stuff with a full BiS hybrid is a heck of a lot more fun than a crappy geared hybrid.

I watched Sudz completely destroy sebilis by himself right after he got his Vulak axe. He was definitely having a good time.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thinking of it the wrong way.

They're playing useful chars in raids to eventually spend their DKP to gear their knights so they can go enjoy the game outside the raid scene.

Hitting CH on an uber geared cleric doesn't feel any cooler than on a crap geared cleric bot. Doing solo / single group stuff with a full BiS hybrid is a heck of a lot more fun than a crappy geared hybrid.

I watched Sudz completely destroy sebilis by himself right after he got his Vulak axe. He was definitely having a good time.

Exactly right. A heavily geared hybrid can do very well in those situations compared to a Warrior or Monk with non raid gear and gear you can buy (excluding people who can drop a million plat or more). Unfortunately gearing up a Warrior or Monk is EXTREMELY competitive in guilds, so you need to spend a LOT more time raiding if that is your goal. You could mostly get BiS gear on a hybrid in a fraction of the time and DKP it takes to do on a Warrior or Monk. This obviously excludes overlapping interests like Vulak Axe. But there are plenty of great, fairly cheap raid weapons a Paladin or Shadowknight can get that aren't interesting or useable by Monks and Warriors, and they would be within the top 15 best DPS weapons you could get.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thinking of it the wrong way.

They're playing useful chars in raids to eventually spend their DKP to gear their knights so they can go enjoy the game outside the raid scene.

It was an insincere question, but yeah that's the gist of it, that there's a reason for DKP spending on a hybrid and not just that it's a lot more cost-effective than with other raid-appropriate classes, especially the ones that aren't dependent on gear from 1-60.

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing solo / single group stuff with a full BiS hybrid is a heck of a lot more fun than a crappy geared hybrid. I watched Sudz completely destroy sebilis by himself right after he got his Vulak axe. He was definitely having a good time.

Hmm, so conditionally good. Fair enough. Still better than saying...

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the best shadowknights are playing other classes while equipping their knights. Paladins have an endgame buff divine strength. Both are bad.

[Gustoo]

They want to equip them because they are cool and fun.