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Old 09-24-2020, 02:20 AM
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Sorry I responded at first without actually reading your entire post, hands down get a smith and wesson mp 15. Cheap and well built, you also don't have to rely on others with their 'bro just buy a receiver i'll build your gun'
its crazy but just over the past few days, pricing has jumped 10% and lots of "out of stock" items. I wish I would have bought before the world ended [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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https://www.80lowerjig.com/blogs/80-...th-twist-rate/

Should I be pushing for a 16 inch barrel or does it matter all that much? What issues will I run into if I go smaller than that? It gets treated as a pistol???
If barrel length is less than 16”, then you have to either build the weapon as a pistol (no buttstock, no vertical foregrips, maximum pull length from end of brace to trigger of 13.5”) or submit an application and $200 fee to the ATF for an SBR tax stamp. Keep in mind that if you neglect one of the pistol rules ad accidentally end up with an SBR, you could face 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine, so make sure that you understand what is and is not allowed on pistols, or just get a tax stamp and be free to do what you want with it.

The downside of an SBR is that it cannot be concealed and as a rifle is treated as such for all other state and local laws. SBRs are generally subject to additional state laws beyond ordinary rifles too. Also, for SBRs, the tax stamp means that you are the only person authorized to store, possess or transport the weapon. You can get around this by setting up a gun trust, donating the weapon to the trust and designating family/friends as trustees/beneficiaries. They are cheap and easy to setup.
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Old 09-24-2020, 05:22 AM
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Also, you linked to 80lower. 80% lowers are not legal in some states and subject to additional regulation in some others, so keep that in mind. You can still build a firearm using an ordinary serialized lower though if you happen to live in one of those jurisdictions.
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Also, you linked to 80lower. 80% lowers are not legal in some states and subject to additional regulation in some others, so keep that in mind. You can still build a firearm using an ordinary serialized lower though if you happen to live in one of those jurisdictions.
For some reason that link isn’t working now, but the site more or less gave a breakdown of muzzle velocity compared to Barrel length. It seems that the sweet spot is right around 16 inches, anything longer seems to cumbersome, anything shorter causes loss in velocity.

That said, most of these AR kits are advertised as 16 inchers but the barrels themselves are only 13.5 plus a muzzle break. I imagine that a 2.5 inch muzzle break isn’t going to add to velocity the same as another 2.5 inches of rifled barrel.

What have you guys found is a decent barrel length? Is 16+ too cumbersome?

PS. I’m not planning on buying an 80% lower. By the time I mill everything out and get the jig to do it, I’d be spending more time and money then if I bought a 100%. I don’t like the idea of the Gov knowing I have one, but at this point, there are so many ARs in circulation, I have a hard time believing they will ever ban them.
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For some reason that link isn’t working now, but the site more or less gave a breakdown of muzzle velocity compared to Barrel length. It seems that the sweet spot is right around 16 inches, anything longer seems to cumbersome, anything shorter causes loss in velocity.

That said, most of these AR kits are advertised as 16 inchers but the barrels themselves are only 13.5 plus a muzzle break. I imagine that a 2.5 inch muzzle break isn’t going to add to velocity the same as another 2.5 inches of rifled barrel.

What have you guys found is a decent barrel length? Is 16+ too cumbersome?

PS. I’m not planning on buying an 80% lower. By the time I mill everything out and get the jig to do it, I’d be spending more time and money then if I bought a 100%. I don’t like the idea of the Gov knowing I have one, but at this point, there are so many ARs in circulation, I have a hard time believing they will ever ban them.

Oh okay, good deal. I just saw the web address had 80lower in it and didn’t follow the link.

As far as the 16” barrel goes, it all depends on what you plan to do with it. If you want the best accuracy to range ratio, you can go with an 18”. Anymore than that and you will end up with more whip. The only reasons to go shorter than 16” are if you plan to keep it for self-defense and would like something suited to CQB, or if you would like to suppress it, or if you want something easier to transport or have a CPL and would like to carry concealed. The one other consideration on barrel length is that if you build a pistol first, then you can convert it to a rifle whenever you like, but if your build starts as a rifle, then you cannot convert to a pistol. The likelihood of anybody ever actually knowing is small, but it is the law.

As for the 14.5” barrel, that would mean that you are either building an SBR or a pistol, unless you permanently affix the muzzle device by weld, solder or pin. The muzzle device cannot be removable, otherwise once you attach a stock to the weapon, you suddenly have an SBR, which requires the aforementioned tax stamp prior to assembly. The alternative of course is to build it as a pistol. If you do not want a pistol or an SBR and you want to be able to swap out muzzle devices, then go with an actual barrel length of 16” or more. Often they come in 16.1”
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Old 09-24-2020, 02:25 AM
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I spent $700 on 1200 rounds of m855 3 months ago, last year it costed me a bit over $500. It was a bit hard even finding vendor, I went to cabelas to buy a backpack in a similar timeframe and noticed ALL of their 5.56 and 9mm shelves were empty lol
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Old 09-24-2020, 02:30 AM
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If you don't have an AR yet you will be more than satisfied with a kitted out .22, if I have to leave my transportation of ammo I am not bringing my AR, i'm bringing my ruger 10/22 and 100,000 rounds of ammo lol
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If you don't have an AR yet you will be more than satisfied with a kitted out .22, if I have to leave my transportation of ammo I am not bringing my AR, i'm bringing my ruger 10/22 and 100,000 rounds of ammo lol
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Old 09-24-2020, 02:36 AM
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.22's are the shit, I don't care how tough you think you are if you get shot by a .22 you are tapping out. AR's tbh, I love shooting them but are useless practically. Obviously situational, a .22 will not kill someone reliably but it will disable them
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