Mammon

[BarnabusCollins]

One cannot serve God and mammon; one will cling to one and hate the other

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by BarnabusCollins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One cannot serve God and mammon; one will cling to one and hate the other

Question for the scholars - are Mammon and usury the same beast?

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Woke Locc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question for the scholars - are Mammon and usury the same beast?

im a sinner, not a scholar, but to my understanding, usury is loaning out money with interest, while "Mammon" is worship of money. not like, ppl getting down on their knees in front of a fat stack of benjamins. its ppl who talk about "compound interest" like its a divine wealth creating force, and not a human wealth extraction system based on usury.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Usury probably should be outlawed. I agree with Zodium on that!

it was always illegal. we don't have the power to make usury "legal" in the first place. we've just built our society in open defiance of the law.

[Patriam1066]

Usury probably should be outlawed. I agree with Zodium on that!

[Lune]

Christians used to think you'd go to hell for being satisfied with your accomplishments and wearing nice clothes. Cenodoxus burned in eternal hellfire even though he was a kind and generous man because he was too successful and aware of it. Of course, kings and nobles could pay the Catholic church for their absolution to get around this, but there was still a several-hundred year period of Spanish nobles memeing around Europe dressed as homeless men to prove their humility in the eyes of God.

"He who is humbled shall be exalted" - Peter

I'm really not quite sure how modern Christians reconcile their lives with the actual reality of their religion. Most people aren't actually stupid so deep down they have to see the contradictions. I guess it took nearly a millennium of ideological creep as their religion was passed from culture to culture, each one adapting it and imprinting their values on it.

1,500 years ago I'd have totally jumped on the bandwagon and worshiped cynic-Jesus even if I knew deep down he was just a man, because the message was so good. But today's capitalist Jesus? yikes

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Christians used to think you'd go to hell for being satisfied with your accomplishments and wearing nice clothes. Cenodoxus burned in eternal hellfire even though he was a kind and generous man because he was too successful and aware of it. Of course, kings and nobles could pay the Catholic church for their absolution to get around this, but there was still a several-hundred year period of Spanish nobles memeing around Europe dressed as homeless men to prove their humility in the eyes of God.

"He who is humbled shall be exalted" - Peter

I'm really not quite sure how modern Christians reconcile their lives with the actual reality of their religion. Most people aren't actually stupid so deep down they have to see the contradictions. I guess it took nearly a millennium of ideological creep as their religion was passed from culture to culture, each one adapting it and imprinting their values on it.

1,500 years ago I'd have totally jumped on the bandwagon and worshiped cynic-Jesus even if I knew deep down he was just a man, because the message was so good. But today's capitalist Jesus? yikes

1500 years ago Justinian was dragging heretical priests from their churches and conquering North Africa in the name of Rome

The second Constantine converted, Christianity was fated to no longer be a religion of asceticism and monasticism. That doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t serve the United States and Jesus Christ that you will roast for eternity

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1500 years ago Justinian was dragging heretical priests from their churches and conquering North Africa in the name of Rome

The second Constantine converted, Christianity was fated to no longer be a religion of asceticism and monasticism. That doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t serve the United States and Jesus Christ that you will roast for eternity

Anarchist Jesus would be such a |Just| nuisance as to require violence by the State.

Like it or not, we're still a Christian nation.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1500 years ago Justinian was dragging heretical priests from their churches and conquering North Africa in the name of Rome

The second Constantine converted, Christianity was fated to no longer be a religion of asceticism and monasticism. That doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t serve the United States and Jesus Christ that you will roast for eternity

no one serves Christ and another master.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no one serves Christ and another master.

Well God and Christ are completely separate entities. I mean they're working together to a common goal, and they're related, but Christ is as discrete a being as God. You know that's true because while people say 'Jesus is God' absolutely no one says 'God is Jesus'. If they were one and the same then the commutative property would apply.

Also, if they were one being then Jesus would possess God's knowledge, and he wouldn't be asking silly question like the one in Matthew 27:46.

So since Jesus and God are separate entities with their own thoughts and agendas, it's very possible to serve two masters at once, especially since their goals clearly converge. I can see you don't follow the True Faith and so are confused. Cast aside the lies and heresy of Luther and come back to the Holy Father. The one in Rome I mean.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cast aside the lies and heresy of Luther and come back to the Holy Father.