The player-moderated Ancient Cyclops list is a disaster.

[beh]

Originally Posted by Cawin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's simply a tool to assist in what people were already doing.

I get it, I really do - the intention was to make what already goes on run more smoothly... but it has had the opposite effect. I can send a tell to anyone camping anything and they'll let me know who else is ahead of me and when they're done I'll get a tell. Nary an issue encountered for 50 levels at various different contested camps, whether for XP or loot, because when the vast majority of any list LOGS OFF THE GAME, nobody sits around holding the camp for their pals under the guise of diplomacy and white-knighting for some bogus spreadsheet on one of the top guilds' websites.

[OuterChimp]

WTB Jboots MQ...PST send tells please.

[Impeaches]

Originally Posted by beh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you would like names of the people mentioned in my post that moved #40something to #1 this morning, I'd be happy to share, since your awesome auditing didn't catch that today.

Let's go ahead and solve this little part of the equation, okay Beh or Coronita (Fires of Heaven). I (My in-game name matches my name here now) was the person who held the list over to find the next person online. I started my AC camp off with a tell from you whining about missing your turn. Literally before I even summoned a pet you were sending me tells whining. As soon as I had a second I started /w all down the list. Then the third spawns AC popped and i had made it to like #20 on the list. One PH popped I killed it. I play on a laptop and either have to window back and forth or use my phone to get names, so it can be a little slow. I had little time to send tells to folks on the list to find who was online for the #2 spot with only 2 PH spawning before I got an AC. I continued down the list and found one person in BB headed to the AC camp and informed that person I was continuing down the list in case someone bound there was online. PH #1 post AC popped and I killed it. You stated you were taking the camp on next PH. I told you I had the camp and was not relinquishing it to you and wiping a list because I couldn't type fast enough to find who was online. I found another person online around #40something on the list, a guildmate, who declined because they were not bound there. PH #2 post AC spawned and I killed it. You stated again you were taking the camp I told you it was my camp and you were not taking it, I was going to honor the list as it stood and continue to see if anyone was online and bound at the camp. At that point the person in the #8 or #10 spot appeared in camp. I forgot this person's name, it started with a "B" and don't want to drag anyone into your shit show here. I turned the camp and list over to that person, who was not number #40, not someone I know, and not part of some grand conspiracy to keep you from achieving greatness in a 20 year old game.

The other person you keep alluding as my co-conspirator is someone I solely know from the AC camp. The person who I turned the spawn over to is someone I have never interacted with in game before. There's nothing rotten in Denmark or this situation so go ahead and put the tin foil hat away for another day.

As for issues with the current system, the inability to ban you and people like you and Urbrutha from the list is the only issue with the list. I could see saying you slots #1 and #2 had to be in camp, or even 1-3.

Now, back to a 20 year old game thankfully kept alive by some folks who don't get enough credit.

ImPeaches... go fuck yourself Coronita...

[beh]

Originally Posted by Impeaches [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's go ahead and solve this little part of the equation, okay Beh or Coronita (Fires of Heaven). I (My in-game name matches my name here now) was the person who held the list over to find the next person online. I started my AC camp off with a tell from you whining about missing your turn. Literally before I even summoned a pet you were sending me tells whining. As soon as I had a second I started /w all down the list. Then the third spawns AC popped and i had made it to like #20 on the list. One PH popped I killed it. I play on a laptop and either have to window back and forth or use my phone to get names, so it can be a little slow. I had little time to send tells to folks on the list to find who was online for the #2 spot with only 2 PH spawning before I got an AC. I continued down the list and found one person in BB headed to the AC camp and informed that person I was continuing down the list in case someone bound there was online. PH #1 post AC popped and I killed it. You stated you were taking the camp on next PH. I told you I had the camp and was not relinquishing it to you and wiping a list because I couldn't type fast enough to find who was online. I found another person online around #40something on the list, a guildmate, who declined because they were not bound there. PH #2 post AC spawned and I killed it. You stated again you were taking the camp I told you it was my camp and you were not taking it, I was going to honor the list as it stood and continue to see if anyone was online and bound at the camp. At that point the person in the #8 or #10 spot appeared in camp. I forgot this person's name, it started with a "B" and don't want to drag anyone into your shit show here. I turned the camp and list over to that person, who was not number #40, not someone I know, and not part of some grand conspiracy to keep you from achieving greatness in a 20 year old game.

The other person you keep alluding as my co-conspirator is someone I solely know from the AC camp. The person who I turned the spawn over to is someone I have never interacted with in game before. There's nothing rotten in Denmark or this situation so go ahead and put the tin foil hat away for another day.

As for issues with the current system, the inability to ban you and people like you and Urbrutha from the list is the only issue with the list. I could see saying you slots #1 and #2 had to be in camp, or even 1-3.

Now, back to a 20 year old game thankfully kept alive by some folks who don't get enough credit.

ImPeaches... go fuck yourself Coronita...

Wow! Sounds like you took this more personally than I even did, coming on here like a hero looking to defend your own honor. Good for you, champ.

Except, you were the one who decided to stick around even after you got your ring, which - if you read this thread at all - is the one thing that mostly everyone can agree upon was wrong. You should have gotten the fuck out, instead of playing the white knight for a random stranger (according to you) who wasn't anywhere near OOT at the time.

Also, your story about me "whining" and telling you I was ready to wipe the list is flat out bullshit. I told you what happened (I was #2 and fell asleep when my turn came up), and since nobody else was around after you were done, I offered to NOT WIPE THE LIST, which would have permitted you to leave as you were SUPPOSED TO, without the weight of fucking 100+ people over on your conscience. If you read this thread AT ALL, you would've seen that I explained that at least five times. Actually, if your head wasn't so thick, you would've understood that when I explained it to you AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT IN QUESTION, instead of ignoring me and later calling it "whining" because you couldn't be bothered to use common sense.

But nope, you, the valiant white knight of the Kingdom AC list, decided to stay and cause this problem. Hope you're happy!

[beh]

Originally Posted by Impeaches

As soon as I had a second I started /w all down the list. Then the third spawns AC popped and i had made it to like #20 on the list. One PH popped I killed it. I play on a laptop and either have to window back and forth or use my phone to get names, so it can be a little slow. I had little time to send tells to folks on the list to find who was online for the #2 spot with only 2 PH spawning before I got an AC.

You may have inadvertently helped me prove my point here.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH A LIST LIKE THIS.

It's NOT your responsibility to sit around and send 45 tells after you're done with the camp. If they're on the list and can't be bothered to check in, TOO BAD. You don't have to do that work for them.. but you decided to, and in turn had more empathy and consideration for a nameless faceless person who wasn't sitting right in front of you as I was, asking to alleviate your responsibilities by holding the list for you so you could leave... and this is the result.

And you wonder why there's suspicion?

[beh]

I don't want the GM's involved; quite the contrary actually; they shouldn't have to deal with complaints about this list once a week as they have been lately. I didn't petition, as you can see from my original post I exhausted every ounce of effort I could do resolve it among players, diplomatically and logically. Pretty much every other camp in the game works itself out, but this list is used as a "pat ourselves on the back" vehicle for those that set it up, and clearly it's more trouble than its worth for the creators, the GM's, and the end users. Thanks but no thanks.

[Cawin]

Originally Posted by beh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want the GM's involved; quite the contrary actually; they shouldn't have to deal with complaints about this list once a week as they have been lately. I didn't petition, as you can see from my original post I exhausted every ounce of effort I could do resolve it among players, diplomatically and logically. Pretty much every other camp in the game works itself out, but this list is used as a "pat ourselves on the back" vehicle for those that set it up, and clearly it's more trouble than its worth for the creators, the GM's, and the end users. Thanks but no thanks.

This is why I was dismissive from get go. Perception painted with lack of information on realities of it.

Again:

Blistig 07/28/2020
I have a strong interest in keeping it going because it's one of the very few player-driven agreements on any server that people actually respect

Working better than I anticipate and I pat the community on the back for that (or wherever they would like my pats)

I get it, I really do - the intention was to make what already goes on run more smoothly... but it has had the opposite effect. I can send a tell to anyone camping anything and they'll let me know who else is ahead of me and when they're done I'll get a tell. Nary an issue encountered for 50 levels at various different contested camps, whether for XP or loot, because when the vast majority of any list LOGS OFF THE GAME, nobody sits around holding the camp for their pals under the guise of diplomacy and white-knighting for some bogus spreadsheet on one of the top guilds' websites.

Just not true. I hear of camp disputes all the time. Spend some time in LGuk. Feel free to share https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...vVt-3eWtM/edit, I only host it on the site because I feel like typing http://ac.kingdomdkp.com is easier.

[beh]

Regarding your Blistig quote - I love Blistig - he's been wonderful for the community just by existing and being as active as he is - but he can't be everywhere and know everything. If he thinks everyone respects this list, he's not paying enough attention to it.

[beh]

I just realized I'm arguing game mechanics with someone who thought all raids were indoors. Sorry everyone, I'll ignore him now.

[Widan]

It seems you dont know much about said game mechanics since you don't know what the effect on JBoots does or how much speed it gives.

OP bad at ever quest move to resolved.