Shamwowi's Shaman Race Guide

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are people getting so irritated with this guide? I can only speak for myself, but I really appreciate the work you put into this. Thank you and I suspect most players feel the same way I do. Good job.

Maybe when you have a spare weekend you can read through this abortion of a thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=361266 , which was torpedoed s by the OP of this thread and he author of the "guide"( AKA arbitrary opinion) referenced in this current thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe when you have a spare weekend you can read through this abortion of a thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=361266 , which was torpedo's by the OP of this thread and "guide, AKA arbitrary opinion" referenced in this current thread.

Lol nothing in that thread "torpedos" my guide, or what I said. I clearly posted the facts and evidence. You continue to claim I am wrong, while posting nothing to prove it. You can keep claiming I am wrong, but that means nothing if you can't back it up[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I would love to see an actual argument from you. If you have a Troll Shaman, lets see some examples!

[DMN]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol nothing in that thread "torpedos" my guide, or what I said. I clearly posted the facts and evidence. You continue to claim I am wrong, while posting nothing to prove it. You can keep claiming I am wrong, but that means nothing if you can't back it up[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I would love to see an actual argument from you. If you have a Troll Shaman, lets see some examples!

You keep mentioning "facts" and "evidence" but are almost exclusively producing opinion and speculation. And I'm not going to spend my time teaching pigs to sing, particularly one as obstinate as you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep mentioning "facts" and "evidence" but are almost exclusively producing opinion and speculation. And I'm not going to spend my time teaching pigs to sing, particularly one as obstinate as you.

If you don't understand what facts and evidence are, that is not my problem, that is yours. I am still waiting for you to share what you actually disagree with[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Claiming someone is wrong and stopping there means nothing.

[Saisu]

DMN, lay some knowledge on me. Is the general argument races are functionally exactly the same with no “best”? Is he vastly underestimating the benefit of racial regen?

As someone without a Shaman, I’m not sure what your counterclaim is or where the disagreement is? Is this just some personal beef between the two of you, bad blood in the past?

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Saisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DMN, lay some knowledge on me. Is the general argument races are functionally exactly the same with no “best”? Is he vastly underestimating the benefit of racial regen?

As someone without a Shaman, I’m not sure what your counterclaim is or where the disagreement is? Is this just some personal beef between the two of you, bad blood in the past?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=361266

Feel free to read the massive recent thread on this. At least 4-5 people have just stopped talking to the OP, not because they felt he was right, but because when they realized the length that he would go to defend his ogre bias, they realized they had already wasted enough time with it.

He’s definitely one of the most well disguised trolls I’ve seen on these forums, I’ll give him that.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Saisu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DMN, lay some knowledge on me. Is the general argument races are functionally exactly the same with no “best”? Is he vastly underestimating the benefit of racial regen?

As someone without a Shaman, I’m not sure what your counterclaim is or where the disagreement is? Is this just some personal beef between the two of you, bad blood in the past?

Again, you can read that other thread. The dude is a consummate liar who pretends to be some sort of arbiter of truth/facts. Only his version of things matter or are considered "fact" or "evidence", despite his entire inability to produce a single shred of evidence that FSi has ever helped him even just once in his entire existence as an ogre shaman.

[isoka]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even with an experienced tank, it can be tough to keep up agro on multiple mobs when a Shaman needs to slow and heal. Doing 6+ Dragons is a great example here. I am usually on Rampage, even in a group of 6, due to slowing and healing. Torpor's range requires me to be in Rampage distance, so I am taking hits in the fight. I don't believe Bashes happen on rampage (I am usually not paying attention to that), so FSI probably doesn't apply to rampage hits. Also, I sometimes pull as a Shaman if there is no need to do crazy pulling shenanigans, because I am already going to be high on the hate list initially, when trying to land a slow.

Actually, that was the worst possible example chosen since rampage list isn't a matter of how much hate you have but of being highest on agro list while not being MT.
No matter how experienced the main tank is, those are not related.

If you don t want to eat rampage, don t pull and/or wait for others to engage before slowing/maloing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by isoka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, that was the worst possible example chosen since rampage list isn't a matter of how much hate you have but of being highest on agro list while not being MT.
No matter how experienced the main tank is, those are not related.

If you don t want to eat rampage, don t pull and/or wait for others to engage before slowing/maloing.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Being on Rampage means you have the second highest agro on the mobs hate list. For Shamans, this is common, because Shamans are usually healing and Slowing. Both generate a good amount of agro. When you are second on the hate list, you are the closest player to surpassing the tank on the agro list. A string of slow resists could do that, because slow generates a lot of agro.

For 6+ Dragons in a small group, you don't have the luxury to wait for the tank and dps to build agro before slowing and healing. The tank will die if you do that. Slows need to land ASAP to maximize the mana you save on future healing. Maybe a Warrior using discs could do it, but you don't always have a Warrior tanking.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being on Rampage means you have the second highest agro on the mobs hate list.

Negative, it means you attacked the target sooner than anyone else except possibly the person who's acting as tank. Rampage works based on order-of-engage. Other players can overtake the rampage target's aggro but he'll still have rampage; that's how healers get stuck with rampage damage sometimes. Once you have rampage the only way you get rid of it is either clearing off the hatelist entirely (feign/etc) or moving outside its range limit. You're not necessarily second on aggro so much as you're a good shaman who likes to aggressively slow stuff--as it should be.

I agree that Shamans in solo/duo/smallman situations generally want to slow stuff ASAP. I like telling the wife to cast as soon as she's in spell range and as quickly as cooldown permits. If your tank is a Paladin or Shadow Knight or similar high-hate class then that's no issue, but if you're running around with a Warrior or Monk or similar melee who generates less frontloaded threat then the Shaman's probably going to be getting hit.

Danth