Proposed amendment to Scout Roll

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's good, and there's classic. Is it good (or I'd go farther: awesome) that everyone works together and helps each other? Yes. Is it classic? No.

That's the story of this place. Is losing XP when you die painful? Yes. Would it be "good" if you didn't? Yes ... but it would have a side effect, of making the game overall less fun (see WoW).

Same deal here. I truly do like that everyone gets together and helps with roll fights, but it's 100% unclassic, and it's precisely the reason why we have giant lines with tons of people rolling ... when on live Scout was pretty much a "show up, bring your raid force, and do it" kind of a deal.

This place is meant to re-create the game from 1999-2001, worts and all. That game expected you to get a bunch of friends together to do the quest: the fact that you don't have to here means it's not the same game, and the devs are failing (in some very minor way) at their stated goal.

I'm in agreement with Loramin here. And I haven't always agreed with him on everything. It may lock people out of getting Scout Roll if they can't muster a force at the exact time of Scout Roll, but, then again, there are a lot of scenarios (both here and in Classic) where players were shut out of gear opportunities due to logistical reasons. This was never designed to be free pixels, so I think that requiring your own group is a fair compromise. Playing solo and don't have access to a group? Look for a guild and become friendly with your guildmates; they will, in most cases, be glad to help you get that scout roll piece you've been yearning for.

[LazyHydras]

aaaaand another lvl50 druid wins scout roll again. Idk about you guys, but I'm straight up not going to help if another lvl50 wins.

[Fammaden]

The only reason I can see to have a level restriction is if you are too low to contribute to the fight. Given the number of people showing up 50+ seems appropriate enough.

That being said, scout roll is one of the few successful and long running cooperative agreements surrounding a high end goal that exists in this otherwise cutthroat community. Why fuck with a good thing and potentially make it worse.

Scout isn't perfect, but it seems to be a good candidate for "if it ain't broke don't fix it". And I'm sorry but a 53 alt winning a roll doesn't make it broken. That dude could be your buddy and or guild mate next week for all you know, let him have his moment. Plenty of 55+ players win it as well, more likely they are the majority of winners.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aaaaand another lvl50 druid wins scout roll again. Idk about you guys, but I'm straight up not going to help if another lvl50 wins.

Pft don’t help any of those priests or silkies. Tanks only!

[kaizersoze]

In b4 Ghxst comes in and clickfests it with their own force. Take the agreement as it is and try again later or get ready to clickfest.

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by kaizersoze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In b4 Ghxst comes in and clickfests it with their own force. Take the agreement as it is and try again later or get ready to clickfest.

What is it with people thinking that there's somehow only 2 options: an unchangeable agreement or clickfiesta?


It's a pretty defeatist attitude and leads to stuff like 10 seconds rolls at Angry Gobbo (or the infamous 5 second roll at Shady Gobbo). We are all adults here and should be able to add amendments. 50+ people logging in for every Scout Roll is just an absolute cluster at this point. Anyone can show up with a lvl50 toon unable to really contribute to the fight and win and then park another lvl50 toon and the cycle continues.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

silkies

Ok, NOW we have a good issue. I get way more rustled by someone taking the robe than by a level 50 winning. At least the priests and melee winning at any level are using the quest for a badass item, not just throwing the spawn away.

[LazyHydras]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason I can see to have a level restriction is if you are too low to contribute to the fight. Given the number of people showing up 50+ seems appropriate enough.

That being said, scout roll is one of the few successful and long running cooperative agreements surrounding a high end goal that exists in this otherwise cutthroat community. Why fuck with a good thing and potentially make it worse.

Scout isn't perfect, but it seems to be a good candidate for "if it ain't broke don't fix it". And I'm sorry but a 53 alt winning a roll doesn't make it broken. That dude could be your buddy and or guild mate next week for all you know, let him have his moment. Plenty of 55+ players win it as well, more likely they are the majority of winners.

I have nothing against the person behind the player. I'm just saying that they should be of level to materially contribute to the fight in order to roll. I would gladly welcome a lvl50 as my guildmate and even help them level up so they could be useful! But, yea. I would prefer scout roll be 55+

OR

Adopt Loramin's suggestion of Bring-Your-Own-Group and /list for each group.

[kaizersoze]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is it with people thinking that there's somehow only 2 options: an unchangeable agreement or clickfiesta?


It's a pretty defeatist attitude and leads to stuff like 10 seconds rolls at Angry Gobbo (or the infamous 5 second roll at Shady Gobbo). We are all adults here and should be able to add amendments. 50+ people logging in for every Scout Roll is just an absolute cluster at this point. Anyone can show up with a lvl50 toon unable to really contribute to the fight and win and then park another lvl50 toon and the cycle continues.

I mean how are you going to enforce it though. All someone needs to do is /anonymous and you cant see their level. Do you just not help regardless because you cant see their level? If they should do anything to make scout "harder" for low levels to do, its add more barrier to the quest than just base faction of amiable because all you need for that is a few hours in kael. Im not fond of losing roll either, was fortunate enough to win 2 on my rogue within 3 days, but if someone's there and helping, they deserve just as much of a chance as you do.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by LazyHydras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are all adults here

HILARIOUS. Really great stuff man, I enjoy comedy.