Runed Fighters Staff vs Tranquil Staff

[Treats]

The Runed Fighter's Staff is the best weapon in the game currently. It's the best and highest damage per second of any weapon because of damage bonus. This is the reason it was removed -- Insane DPS. First they removed it. Then they altered damage bonus on two handed weapons under 28 delay (There were no other two handed weapons in the game at that time under 28). It was just too powerful. This is the same reason why the Moss Covered Twig and Barbed Scale Whip were moved to off hand only (Off hand damage is (Offense + Strength) / 100 x Weapon damage -- No damage bonus).

Prior to the patch here, all two handed weapons had the same damage bonus.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000919.html

I haven't had a chance to parse both of them (No T staff currently) but I would venture a guess that the RFS does about 15-30 more damage per second than the T Staff. They are basically the same ratio but the RFS has 10 less delay. You simply have more chances to hit with it. For every two rounds you are applying the damage bonus with the T staff the RFS is getting three. Factor in double attacks when you don't miss and thats an extra 34 damage every second or two with max haste.

Would like to have someone 50+ with both weapons post here to see how much more it really is.

[baalzy]

Silver swiftblade has 24 delay.

But who cares, it's a ranger weapon.

In terms of pure melee I wouldn't doubt the RFS wins, however the utility and added damage of the tstaff proc is really nice and would still make it the better weapon unless you absolutely did not want to take hate even for a second(couple procs in a row can steal hate really fast even if you're FD'ing regularly).

[Treats]

Oops my bad, couldn't think of any when I made the post ;/

[kbnexus]

Do me a favor - right click your RFS and look at the damage bonus, then have someone link you a tstaff and look at the damage bonus. Then come back into this thread and post your findings. At level 60 its not even close. (29 damage bonus to 12 damage bonus, or around those numbers)

[Widan]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silver swiftblade has 24 delay.

So if one was leveling up a ranger would it be more dps to use the Swiftblade until that patch goes in and not bother trying to dual wield?

[Treats]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do me a favor - right click your RFS and look at the damage bonus, then have someone link you a tstaff and look at the damage bonus. Then come back into this thread and post your findings. At level 60 its not even close. (29 damage bonus to 12 damage bonus, or around those numbers)

Kanras fixed the damage bonuses. The correct damage bonus isn't displayed on the item. At level 60 your minimum hit with both the RFS and T staff is 18 (17 damage bonus).

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if one was leveling up a ranger would it be more dps to use the Swiftblade until that patch goes in and not bother trying to dual wield?

Depending on your budget the swiftblade would likely be the best DPS you could get as a ranger for a good while. You'd need some pretty killer 1handed weapons to beat it, but dual wielding at the top end will always be more DPS then 2handers.

moss covered twig/barbed scale whip + guard captain mallet I'd think would out DPS the swiftblade, but would also be pricier.

Once the twig/whip get nerfed you'd probably go mallet + crystalline short sword/green jade axe. Most other weapons with similar or better ratios have procs and as a ranger you do NOT want procs since they'll get you murdered.

I'm not sure what the prices on any of these items, it's just been my experience that the swiftblade is a relatively common drop in Chardok. Combine that with it being ranger only and there not being a whole lot of rangers, I'd assume the price is pretty low on one.

TLDR; Given infinite money, dual wielding will always win. If you want to kickass and chew gum on a budget, go with the swiftblade.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kanras fixed the damage bonuses. The correct damage bonus isn't displayed on the item. At level 60 your minimum hit with both the RFS and T staff is 18 (17 damage bonus).

^^^^^^^^^^

Your client is lying to you because it does the calculation based on what Titanium thinks and displays that, the bonus on the server side is (level - 25)/2 for 2handed weapons regardless of the delay. This was a very recent change.

[Widan]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

moss covered twig/barbed scale whip + guard captain mallet I'd think would out DPS the swiftblade, but would also be pricier.

Once the twig/whip get nerfed you'd probably go mallet + crystalline short sword/green jade axe. Most other weapons with similar or better ratios have procs and as a ranger you do NOT want procs since they'll get you murdered.

Damage bonus is only applied to the primary weapon right? So would a Wurmslayer be the best available offhand weapon since it has such a great ratio?

Thanks for your replies btw.

[baalzy]

Wurmslayer would be a great choice for offhand. Keep in mind it'll also gets nerfed, but for now, yes you're correct the Wurmslayer is the best offhand.