People still comment charm is bad in groups.

[Enshadowed]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got kicked out of a MM group before.

I cast IVU on our enchanter as they wanted to keep one of our camps mob as a pet. The zone was crowded and we were waiting for respawns so all it was going to do was remove one xp mob from our cycle.

I've had to explain this to a lot of people a lot at Pond, particularly. When we're waiting on respawns and you're charming a mob from the camp, for whatever reason, people can't seem to grasp the fact that we're actually losing experience.

[GnomeCaptain]

Charm can be extremely strong, but it's not always a good idea to use it.

The summoned pet can be outrageously strong if used well.

An animation, slow, and chain-stunning is an extremely strong combo, especially if fighting in a tight space.

Also, ignore people that tell you how to play your class, especially if they make such sweeping statements as "you suck if you're not using charm" or "only bad Enchanters use animation" and other such nonsense.

Ignore, or merely pity, the min-max crowd.

[Christina.]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, ignore people that tell you how to play your class, especially if they make such sweeping statements as "you suck if you're not using charm" or "only bad Enchanters use animation" and other such nonsense. .

I agree, there's a million different playstyles. If you like charming and only charming do that. If you like using the shadow-men use them. It's up to you completely.

[unleashedd]

charm vs haste

youre in a melee heavy group, constant multi pulls. the amount of cc you do and constant rehastes make it nearly impossible to regen mana fast enough.

do you stop hasting, or stop charming? or something else (stop cc? hehe)

[Izmael]

I'd usually drop charming and just do cc / hasting and tell the puller to bring trains.

Tricky CC is usually a lot more fun than staring at the chatbox waiting for the red line saying "Your charm spell has worn off".

Also it is more likely to make you look like a hero in front of your group than keeping some random frog charmed.

[Snaggles]

A hasted pet in the high levels can do the equivalent dps of 4 player characters in a grind group. Unless someone's parser was borked in a Seb King group a hasted frog was going 180 dps where the rogue and monk combined were doing about 100dps and my paladin (57 with a 1h/shield) was cracking like 25dps.

I would keep communicating your mana level with the group. If they ignore you and are pushing things make them kill your pet. Don't charm another and explain you are not going to try and CC with an empty blue bar unless they enjoy CR's.

PS: Or send a tell to the healer(s) and see how much mana they have. If pretty much full than maybe make them work harder for the xp and go pet-less?

[Bardp1999]

Charm is only a problem at lower levels when youre trying to charm something too high and its breaking every 20 seconds and draining the healer, other than that charm is disgustingly OP

[Christina.]

After watching the videos i watched on enchanters yesterday on youtube, I'm super inspired to main one next time a new server opens. I have an enchanter myself but never took the class serious. They can pull some of the craziest dungeon crawls ever lol

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charm is only a problem at lower levels when youre trying to charm something too high and its breaking every 20 seconds and draining the healer, other than that charm is disgustingly OP

Yea I prefer to Charm something lower level at any given camp than a mob most other people would charm at said camp. It'll still put out absurd DPS and makes for a much more relaxing experience for me (the chanter)

[Vector58]

I for one leave groups if the Enchanter insists on using any pet, wether charmed or illusion. Enchanters at any level only have enough mana to keep dps hasted, and if 29+ Clarity up on casters, while keeping the pulls stacked up waiting for the dps to kill. Folks who say their charmed pet is awesome dps, I agree, but(and it in my opinion is a big but) is that while they are trying to keep their charmed pet charmed, and wasting healers mana on healing them, they do no contribute as much dps to group as they seem to think. If you are a Enchanter in a group and you are full mana, and want to dps, you have nukes and Dots, and if you are not full mana, then med. I played on Live many years ago, and if an enchanter used a charmed pet in groups, they were not welcome, for the same reasons they should not be using charm on P99 servers.