Fake EC tunnel prices

[fadetree]

yeah, that's fine. I know the game devs don't do wiki, but they could expose an RSS feed of the server trade logs, which then someone who DOES do wiki could consume. Not gonna happen though, I'm sure, but that would be the most accurate feed.

[mischief419]

Yea, some asshat logged GBS for only 3k. I was asking 8~10k. Traded it for a SMR, in the end. GBS is too rare to even find sales to track, but had too many people try to offer me 3k for the damn stone that people spend months trying to get. "Well, the wiki says it's only worth 3k". Bah.

[DMN]

There are a lot of just clueless people around too, who don' tknow the value of stuff in vanilla. Like the guy who was selling amethyst bracelets for next to nothing. BIS cleric wrist item in the game ATM, and excellent long term twinking item for any priest classes.

[Frug]

Originally Posted by mischief419 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, some asshat logged GBS for only 3k. I was asking 8~10k. Traded it for a SMR, in the end. GBS is too rare to even find sales to track, but had too many people try to offer me 3k for the damn stone that people spend months trying to get. "Well, the wiki says it's only worth 3k". Bah.

Not sure if you're on green or teal, but on Teal the GBS was only seen at 3k for awhile, then jumped to 10.

https://unixgeek.com/prices-P1999Tea...lackStone.html

[cd288]

Sorry to revive a dead thread, but wanted to circle back on the whole discussion about people monitoring the wiki for fake prices and editing them out. A couple log entries seem to have disappeared on certain items that didn't seem to be fake at all. For example, just a day or two ago there were multiple different entries on Treant staff of like 800, 850, and 1000 pp (I can't recall if they were all from different sellers or not). Do those get edited out by someone? If so, why? Doesn't seem to be fake price gouging on its face

[Gatorsmash]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry to revive a dead thread, but wanted to circle back on the whole discussion about people monitoring the wiki for fake prices and editing them out. A couple log entries seem to have disappeared on certain items that didn't seem to be fake at all. For example, just a day or two ago there were multiple different entries on Treant staff of like 800, 850, and 1000 pp (I can't recall if they were all from different sellers or not). Do those get edited out by someone? If so, why? Doesn't seem to be fake price gouging on its face

Had to sit and watch something IRL for most of the day Sat so had EC up on a monitor. I saw a few items magically get pushed up by multiple vendors a few hundred plat throughout the day. People are clearly boxing EC and artificially pushing up prices

Edit- only reason I noticed was because a few items went up 300+ over the course of like 2 hours and it was the only item they were selling

[Frug]

FWIW, I go through my auction tracker prices (url in my signature) every couple days. I have a process that both looks for prices that are obviously meant to be in k, but aren't (like a price of 2 for something that normally sells around 2k), prices that are wildly beyond standard devations (if I have enough data points), or prices that are mere fractions or big multipliers of the mean (if I don't).

I remove the prices that are beyond "normal" in these cases, but I try to leave the ones in that are actually advertised as such, even if absurd.

You can't catch them all, and there will be gouging and sellers trying to get a profitable price by starting high and coming down over time. But, I try.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Gatorsmash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had to sit and watch something IRL for most of the day Sat so had EC up on a monitor. I saw a few items magically get pushed up by multiple vendors a few hundred plat throughout the day. People are clearly boxing EC and artificially pushing up prices

Edit- only reason I noticed was because a few items went up 300+ over the course of like 2 hours and it was the only item they were selling

I don't think something that is being increased by like 150-300pp for an item that's several hundred pp as is should be considered artificial price gouging if it's at least a few different people selling at that.

The whole editing the auction log based on someone's arbitrary viewpoint that a figure is higher than they think it should be is just as bad as someone artificially inflating prices. If people are willing to pay a price then that's supply and demand in action. I don't think prices should be removed unless they are absolutely egregious and blatantly obvious attempts at price manipulation (for example, someone selling something for 850-900pp that someone else is selling for 650pp is not egregious; someone selling something for 1,600pp that most people are selling for 650pp is egregious).

Edit: Loramin, would welcome your knowledge as to what's been happening with the Wiki logs, if anything.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think something that is being increased by like 150-300pp for an item that's several hundred pp as is should be considered artificial price gouging if it's at least a few different people selling at that.

The whole editing the auction log based on someone's arbitrary viewpoint that a figure is higher than they think it should be is just as bad as someone artificially inflating prices. If people are willing to pay a price then that's supply and demand in action. I don't think prices should be removed unless they are absolutely egregious and blatantly obvious attempts at price manipulation (for example, someone selling something for 850-900pp that someone else is selling for 650pp is not egregious; someone selling something for 1,600pp that most people are selling for 650pp is egregious).

Edit: Loramin, would welcome your knowledge as to what's been happening with the Wiki logs, if anything.

All I can say is "it wasn't me". It's possible another wiki admin did it, but honestly I don't think most (if any) other than me are very active. The full list of people who could have.

If they did, they surely did so on purpose (you can't accidentally remove entries in one click), so it seems either A) there was just some confusion, B) an admin intentionally (and therefore likely correctly) removed some entries ... or very unlikely option C) an admin removed entries incorrectly.

I don't think there's any kind of log of deletions (that would have made even more work for Ravhin, and "bad" wiki admins could do much worse things that remove price entries, so he probably figured it wasn't needed), but if anyone does ever notice a suspicious pattern of removals, I'd ask that they PM me privately so we can try work out a way to test the theory.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I can say is "it wasn't me". It's possible another wiki admin did it, but honestly I don't think most (if any) other than me are very active. The full list of people who could have.

If they did, they surely did so on purpose (you can't accidentally remove entries in one click), so it seems either A) there was just some confusion, B) an admin intentionally (and therefore likely correctly) removed some entries ... or very unlikely option C) an admin removed entries incorrectly.

I don't think there's any kind of log of deletions (that would have made even more work for Ravhin, and "bad" wiki admins could do much worse things that remove price entries, so he probably figured it wasn't needed), but if anyone does ever notice a suspicious pattern of removals, I'd ask that they PM me privately so we can try work out a way to test the theory.

Is there a way to at least log if someone accessed that page in an editing capacity or is that just as much work as having a log of specific deletions? Seems like if there's no ability to oversee changes people are making, then the edit ability should be removed.

Seems unfair to allow people to affect the market by arbitrarily removing entries that are clearly (or arguably) not egregious price inflation attempts. For example, I would think things should only be removed if you look at the log and see an individual seller clearly spamming egregious prices to try and block out other entries in the log. In that case that person is clearly trying to manipulate things so that the log doesn't show any data to the contrary.

Removing entries because some different sellers want to sell something for a couple hundred pp more and one person thinks that's too high a price should not be happening because it's just as much market manipulation as someone trying to artificially inflate prices on the log.