Mage pets

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just find

Please post some kind of proof, and less find and feels.

[Frostback]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm saying our delta is Enchanters going from being ranked one of the worst classes in the game DPS-wise, to the uncontroversial best here. That's a very large delta on the right side of the equation.

On the left you have different variables like say: time/player knowledge (A), internet connection speed (B), and differences between emulated mechanics and live ones (C).

What I keep repeating is very simple: A + B does not add up to that amazingly huge delta vs. live. You can divide A and B into however many subvariables you want, and altogether they might account for a delta of 4, maybe 5 classes, eg. Enchanters formerly being the 6th-best DPS on live, but here they're the 2nd-best.

But from bottom to top, only because of A and B? I just find that a difficult idea to swallow: I think there's got to be a C.

Being ranked best or worst in a class is a popularity vote that averages player ability and knowledge. Enchanters in classic eq were capable of out damaging other classes with the use of charm, and there are many reasons for the current rise in popularity to play the class.

Your A+B are vastly different than classic eq in 1999, which is why you're seeing the variance in class popularity. Keep searching for the differences between emulated mechanics and live ones, it's an interesting subject. I believe those differences are small or insignificant.

In Kael there are a lot of NPCs that can be charmed that are significantly more powerful than any pet. Some folks were using this combination of bug and situation to make encounters much more trivial than they were intended to be.

Kael Charming Bug - Aug 7th, 2001

[derpcake2]

I wonder how many other threads Loramin is going to create or derail trying to get his feels-based agenda implemented.

[Cen]

Would I not be misunderstood to not say I don't want my classic EQ to be more classic then all of your classic EQs, but I don't want it to be as classic as classic was in the classic sense.

It's pretty simple if you try not to not think about it.

You have been mezmerised.

[Erati]

ice balls

OP was ab mage pets...what is happening

[bum3]

The majority of players aren't forum nerds or rule lawyers. Enchanters mezzed because it was important to do so over charm dps. And enchanters don't have the mana pool to charm and mez pre-40ish. And since the majority of the populations weren't over 40 let alone max lvl before kunark, most couldn't charm and mez at the same time. If you had a perfect setup group killing safe stuff, sure. But let's face it.. tanks were rare and are rare and a shammy tanking in 40s isn't that safe. Charming was a lot more common in kunark and very common in Velious. But then content was a easier and gear was fantastic.

[Obrae]

While magician had to fight to just get weaker than classic pets, just to get them. Without evidence enchanters on blue and green have always been given god power level.

I find people funny with their old player base was too dumb ideas.

And human couldnt build the pyramids either i bet. It’s a great thing that our generation is here playing EQ, before us, human lived in caves.

[Frostback]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find people funny with their old player base was too dumb ideas.

I was 12 years old when I started playing everquest. When the game first came out it had a lot of kids and teens playing, which is a rare occasion today.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one remembers them being top DPS there. My hypothesis is that if it worked as well on live as it does here, and if people were doing it, then knowledge so basic would have spread.

But charming didn't spread: no one remembers Enchanters being DPS at all, let alone top.

"Playing the enchanter is by far no easy task, but reaps the greatest benefits, and definitely earns the title of being the 'best' pure caster."

"The enchanter may be looked upon as weak, as they are in certain areas. Their damage output is very low, and their pets are weak. But proper manipulation of their spells will cause the enchanter to outperform any other class, it's just a matter of using the correct spell"

From EverQuest Stratics


Charming did in fact spread, each expansion provided more tools for an enchanter to use.

I'm not completely against Loramin, I agree there might be some technical differences such as mobs lvl 35+ may have had higher mr which would have made them more resistant to charm. Dolalin has done tons of research on classic eq mechanics and even he has trouble finding the data. While doing my own research I found more websites devoted to roleplaying rather than technical data.

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by French Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean enchanters charmed pets?

monks and rogues in classic are garbagio

Yet the perception is monks and rogues are more dps than mages and necros and are generally sought out for groups and mages and necros and wizards aren't.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet the perception is monks and rogues are more dps than mages and necros and are generally sought out for groups and mages and necros and wizards aren't.

Enchanters getting clarity should help the other casters to push a bit more dps out now too.