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Old 11-17-2019, 12:45 PM
Videri Videri is offline
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I think there is a rules disagreement here. Does having a mob charmed qualify as "camping" that mob, and are you allowed to retake its respawn if it dies?

Suppose Osargen had never ever died the whole time and was still alive to this day. Would that mage have "camped" Osargen's empty spawn point this whole time? I think not.
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Old 11-17-2019, 01:33 PM
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ok. Since people do need clarification, I think it’s hilarious where you started your copy paste of from the rule list. I’ll chime in.

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“ That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off.

No judgement here about using Osgaren, but to be fair, what you’re doing isn’t “camping” the mob. It’s holding it hostage, and what you did after was intentional kill stealing
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Old 11-17-2019, 03:59 PM
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You dont have to ask someone to give the camp up if the mob is up and at its spawn point.
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:24 PM
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osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:33 PM
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osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.
so this man is keeping a fast spawn down, training you and getting back to kill the respawn. everquest master or you have autism. ill let the crowd decide.
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Old 11-17-2019, 06:15 PM
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[QUOTE=dcmnec;3028049]FTE (first to encounter) /QUOTE]

Nah, I like first to engage better.
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Old 11-17-2019, 06:16 PM
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FTE (first to encounter)
Nah, I like first to engage better.

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Old 11-17-2019, 08:34 PM
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Even if you dont respect a dungeon camp, the fact is that from my perspective I had osargen, he went down, we went back to spawn and engaged him as he spawned. That's it. Regardless of what ever filly was doing, from my perspective I felt I was in the right.

Filly from his perspective thinks he was in the right, and to a certain extent he is right as well assuming you ignore all the circumstantial events leading up to his claim.

Whichever way you want to look at it though, right or wrong either side, it would have been an honest mistake for either party whatever was decided.

The problem is that filly was supposed to have talked with us instead of making demands and threats and instantly petitioning using his baited fraps as justification for further training.

You can try to talk your way around this anyway you want, but discussing camp disputes is literally the first rule of p99 and he broke it spectacularly. Our keeping the spawn thereafter was the direct result of his poor decision and following actions.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:54 AM
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osargen isn't the camp. basement is the camp, osargen is one spawn point in the camp. the entire camp wasn't popped. He ninja'd contested two rounds on a fast respawn target while we were dealing with a train, a train he likely started.

dungeon camps are not FTE (first to encounter) camps, again read the rules - high keep is explicitly classified as a dungeon zone.

that being said it doesn't matter that he stole one or ten, the number he stole just exacerbates the offense.

he got to the camp and it was down, if he wanted to contest the rule is you ask - we pick, then he picks. He forced us to picked osargen through his own actions, and then he chose to cry here because he didn't like what we picked.

Maybe a GM will see it differently, but i doubt it - haven't had a vacation in twenty years - but who knows maybe this nonsense will be the first.
You do realize the goblins are 4 separate camps, which a GM has responded to? And that prisoners / osargen is again, a different camp?????

There is no 'basement' camp.
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:12 PM
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The fact he was ready to go filming away tells me he expected what was about to happen, so yeah, I can see he might have been the one who started this entire mess. Even if he did come down there to train purposely to screw y'all over and take your pet, his actions aren't recorded. You KSing clearly is and the rest is history.
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