Any good guides for GINA?

[kylok]

Originally Posted by El-Hefe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, you can rationalize it all you want. Cheaters often times don’t think what they do is unfair.

But that shit is cheating and that’s why people don’t like it.

Pardon me, but I would argue that you, and people who share your opinion, are upset about a YouTube video in which you saw real time graphical overlays. I, like most other players here, had no idea this existed before seeing this video. I highly doubt that another player using this program drastically impacts your gameplay experience. I have never in my tenure on this server been asked before joining a group or guild, as a condition of joining, if I used a log parser. I'd argue that the vaaast majority of players not only do not care about this topic, but are completely unaware of it as well since the impact on gameplay is so small. An attentive player can keep track of their own buffs/spells/raid mob cooldowns without this program.

Would you please explain to me how having these timers and alerts provides an unfair advantage to a player since they utilize information that is made available to every player?

And to be clear, I do not and have not ever used this program - I'm attempting to defend this on principle.

[Graahle]

Gina bars are pretty. Therefore not cheating. Pretty sure GINA wasn't even a thing last I played, but seeing them in recent P99 videos piqued my interest.

Setting timers is not cheating btw.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

inB4 disAbleD PrioR 2 GreeN laUncH 🚀
HeartY siP

[Graahle]

Originally Posted by Chortles Snort|eS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

inB4 disAbleD PrioR 2 GreeN laUncH 🚀
HeartY siP

pras

[El-Hefe]

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's some irony that only GINA users are capable of understanding:

This project is in part possible due to preserved logs from the classic era.

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pardon me, but I would argue that you, and people who share your opinion, are upset about a YouTube video in which you saw real time graphical overlays. I, like most other players here, had no idea this existed before seeing this video. I highly doubt that another player using this program drastically impacts your gameplay experience. I have never in my tenure on this server been asked before joining a group or guild, as a condition of joining, if I used a log parser. I'd argue that the vaaast majority of players not only do not care about this topic, but are completely unaware of it as well since the impact on gameplay is so small. An attentive player can keep track of their own buffs/spells/raid mob cooldowns without this program.

Would you please explain to me how having these timers and alerts provides an unfair advantage to a player since they utilize information that is made available to every player?

And to be clear, I do not and have not ever used this program - I'm attempting to defend this on principle.

They’re 3rd party programs that read game data and use said data to display information in real time that was not intended to be easily displayed by games chosen UI.

If altering the UI on Green could be considered cheating, GINA is 100% cheating.

Like I said, you can rationalize it all you want. Most cheaters do.

[solleks]

I like to let my buffs wear off all the way and have someone ask me multiple time before replenish. More mana efficient than an elderly robot hooker telling me before they even wear off.

[Donkey Hotay]

Two scoops, two terms, two quotes, too rekt.

Anyways OP, you'll have to get someone's collection or make your own. It's an awkward program to use but you should be able to puzzle it out. If you want simple stuff like buff timers on self/group, try nParse which is very user friendly. It's around on the forums as well as on github(?).

[kylok]

Originally Posted by El-Hefe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They’re 3rd party programs that read game data and use said data to display information in real time that was not intended to be easily displayed by games chosen UI.

If altering the UI on Green could be considered cheating, GINA is 100% cheating.

Like I said, you can rationalize it all you want. Most cheaters do.

They read data written to the log file. It's important to make this distinction since other programs literally do read the game data that is meant to be inaccessible. The log file is intentionally made accessible.

I don't think anyone is attempting to make the argument that altering greens forced UI is "cheating".

Extrapolating from this thread and Rogeans response to it, my assumption is that manipulation of the log file is allowed and therefore not "cheating" (I keep using quotes because I do not agree with your definition of cheating and did not find your argument compelling) "as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control."

[Donkey Hotay]

Why argue with these guys. They're deploying the discord tranny tactic of spamming topics they don't like with the implication that it's immoral or against the rules in the hopes that Stab will read their first two pages of noise and give up.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why argue with these guys. They're deploying the discord tranny tactic of spamming topics they don't like with the implication that it's immoral or against the rules in the hopes that Stab will read their first two pages of noise and give up.

To prevent new people coming here for Green from thinking that players here are cheating when they are not.