Mages were HORRIBLE at launch

[Baler]

Tenlaar it is about launch. Erudite INT is the best race for Mage on LAUNCH.
Don't lie to people telling them something that isn't true.

->By the time kunark rolls around, guilds will be power leveling every class in the game to be used as guild characters.
->Guilds will just power level mages to park at every raid zone so they can exploit the eye.

In classic Mage is very powerful and Erudite is the best race for it.

This post is as real as it gets.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

->By the time kunark rolls around, guilds will be power leveling every class in the game to be used as guild characters.
->Guilds will just power level mages to park at every raid zone so they can exploit the eye.
.[/U]

Best time to play Green99 is original era before Kunark drops. Might be all I play it for.

[Tenlaar]

Acknowledging that the 9 extra points of int mean nothing compared to an advantage that will come around a bit later is not "pushing a fake agenda." Good grief, get over yourself.

[Tenlaar]

Besides, gnomes have tinkering, something that no other race can get. So I'd say that also makes gnomes the best race for mage on LAUNCH.

[Baler]

You're still failing to understand this is a launch thread.

Erudite is the min/max for Mage in >>classic era<<.

This isn't about kunark or velious. Please see my last post for details.
AND YES MORE INT IS BETTER BECAUSE IN CLASSIC THERE AREN'T VERY MANY HIGH STAT ITEMS.
Kunark and Velious has rotted your way of thinking. Green wont be a twink fest like it is on blue.

Starting race will matter a whole lot more on green. Extra main stats will be the difference between surviving or dieing.

I await your reply where you plug your ears and go "lalala baler you're wrong". While ignoring the truth.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're still failing to understand this is a launch thread.

Erudite is the min/max for Mage in >>classic era<<.

This isn't about kunark or velious. Please see my last post for details.
AND YES MORE INT IS BETTER BECAUSE IN CLASSIC THERE AREN'T VERY MANY HIGH STAT ITEMS.
Kunark and Velious has rotted your way of thinking. Green wont be a twink fest like it is on blue.

Starting race will matter a whole lot more on green. Extra main stats will be the difference between surviving or dieing.

I await your reply where you plug your ears and go "lalala baler you're wrong". While ignoring the truth.

That 9 base int, even at level 50, makes a mana pool difference of, what, maybe 30% of the cost of ONE level 49 nuke? You are greatly exaggerating the benefit of it while discounting any others. IF somebody only plans to play their mage during classic and then quit before Kunark comes out and IF they don't want access to a tradeskill that no other race can do and IF they don't mind starting in about the worst place to start in a world with no porters? Sure, Erudite is a good choice. But stop acting like Erudite is by far the clear winner, hands down, period. Because it's not.

By the way, Gnomes can start with a little bit higher strength than Erudites can because they don't need to invest 5 starting points into Agility to get it to 75.

It's not just a clear cut "9 int higher MEANS EVERYTHING!"

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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By the way, Gnomes can start with a little bit higher strength than Erudites can because they don't need to invest 5 starting points into Agility to get it to 75.

It's not just a clear cut "9 int higher MEANS EVERYTHING!"

And just to add a bit more to your point...eBoots, which will be on the market within a month if not sooner, are +9 INT. While racial choice in classic was more important than say, Velious, for most classes, it still isnt vital to be able to have a strong, well-played character.

Also, not having to constantly rely on items to mitigate or eliminate the creeping darkness of the world is a plus. Classic nightvision is gonna mess with SO many people who are used to the high-gamma world of P99Blue.


To add a personal anecdote and opinion:
Back on classic, my first character was a human paladin. Found my way into Nektolus around level 10. No candle.

Could. Not. See. ANYTHING except my UI. Increasing gamma just made the inky blacks a little more gray.

Gnome for Wallvision(TM). Dark Elf for Ultravision. Leave the rest where they lay.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gnome for Wallvision(TM). Dark Elf for Ultravision. Leave the rest where they lay.

I've actually been struggling to ignore the desire to get a gnome mage to the point that he can get a guise so that I can have WallVision or use the mask for both ultravision and being taller in some areas with a lot of steps. I love mages but I've leveled a gnome mage to 59 on blue and I don't feel like I'm going to be any more likely to end up with an epic pet on green so I'm telling myself I should play something different.

[Jadian]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And just to add a bit more to your point...eBoots, which will be on the market within a month if not sooner, are +9 INT. While racial choice in classic was more important than say, Velious, for most classes, it still isnt vital to be able to have a strong, well-played character.

Also, not having to constantly rely on items to mitigate or eliminate the creeping darkness of the world is a plus. Classic nightvision is gonna mess with SO many people who are used to the high-gamma world of P99Blue.


To add a personal anecdote and opinion:
Back on classic, my first character was a human paladin. Found my way into Nektolus around level 10. No candle.

Could. Not. See. ANYTHING except my UI. Increasing gamma just made the inky blacks a little more gray.

Gnome for Wallvision(TM). Dark Elf for Ultravision. Leave the rest where they lay.

Eboots are like THE high end trading item for months on a new server. Acting like you can just go EC and buy a pair for any new char is laughable.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Jadian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eboots are like THE high end trading item for months on a new server. Acting like you can just go EC and buy a pair for any new char is laughable.

Needless, they are still something that will be available. And we are only talking 90 mana here at level 50 if you somehow dont hit the softcap by then.

Erudites, especially with junk darkvision, are gonna be a painful way to play. Maybe if we want hardmode, but they are FAR from the min/max option, especially when gnomes exist.