Do you want open book/blind meditiation?

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too bad we can't get the original book UI working. As far as other things mentioned, I agree that removing multiple chat boxes would simply get people to other programs to chat (which would result in even more unclassicness.) Raiding guilds already want you in vent or teamspeak or whatever which feels unclassic to me, although I'm sure some similar things were used back in the day.

AIM, ICQ. A friend of my roommate who was in the DSL business brought by a headset once to show talk chat. It was very laggy even on early cable.

(couldn't use AIM or ICQ while in game)

This level of organization was not considered in the game design, keep that in mind when one guild uber dominates a raid scene literally waiting for the mob to spawn.

"Hey, you on?"

"Yeah, whats up?"

"That mob spawned a few hours ago"

"Cool, let's go kill it"

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as mousewheel scroll, weren't multiple camera views in at launch? I don't see this one as a huge deal if so.

There were alternate views accessed through F9, but they A) did not follow the character as readily as mousewheel 3rd person does, and B) more critically the controls did not work the same either, particularly mouselook. Old patch notes confirm this in the sense of mentioning changes made to 3rd person controls. Between those two factors 3rd person was only of very limited use and hardly anyone used it for more than screenshots. Sometimes a kiter used it or a monk might've cycled out while feigned.

I agree with your (and others') assessment that single chat window would most likely cause the cancer known as Discord to filter down into regular grouping. In that case the cure is worse than the symptom. I play with single chat window on a couple of alts and it's not bad, but recent discussions have shown that some elements of this community have become extremely resistant to any sort of change.

Danth

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with your (and others') assessment that single chat window would most likely cause the cancer known as Discord to filter down into regular grouping. In that case the cure is worse than the symptom. I play with single chat window on a couple of alts and it's not bad, but recent discussions have shown that some elements of this community have become extremely resistant to any sort of change.

That's a good point. I don't mind voice chat at all, especially just listening to raid instruction. But it can already be tough to find groups of guildies who will do an xp group only in chat rather than getting on the mic. I would HATE for a chat window change to lead to a meta where every pick up xp group expects people to jump in discord. Playing EQ without banter in text chat would bum me right out.

[Deathrydar]

I despise voice chat programs. Ruins the immersion imo.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with your (and others') assessment that single chat window would most likely cause the cancer known as Discord to filter down into regular grouping. In that case the cure is worse than the symptom.

Danth

Doesn't matter though cuz "DATS CLASSIK" right? Isn't that what yall been sayin for the past month?

You don't get to pick and choose your battles here! One chat window, blind-book-medding, insane hybrid-xp penalties, no cycle-target, no scroll-cam and, of course, one dead server!!!!

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't matter though cuz "DATS CLASSIK" right? Isn't that what yall been sayin for the past month?

You don't get to pick and choose your battles here! One chat window, blind-book-medding, insane hybrid-xp penalties, no cycle-target, no scroll-cam and, of course, one dead server!!!!

Your last part will be shown to be incorrect! Most of us don't care that this stuff will be in the game.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't get to pick and choose your battles here! One chat window, blind-book-medding, insane hybrid-xp penalties, no cycle-target, no scroll-cam and, of course, one dead server!!!!

I could live with it. As noted, I already do on a couple characters. Can you?

Danth

[Vexenu]

Cycle target key - Makes CCing multiple mobs MUCH easier than it was in Classic. Essentially a buff to what is already the most overpowered class in the game (Enchanter).

3rd person scroll wheel - Allows for easier melee positioning and increases situational awareness at the cost of reducing immersion.

Both un-classic and should be removed.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cycle target key - Makes CCing multiple mobs MUCH easier than it was in Classic. Essentially a buff to what is already the most overpowered class in the game (Enchanter).

3rd person scroll wheel - Allows for easier melee positioning and increases situational awareness at the cost of reducing immersion.

Both un-classic and should be removed.

This guy gets it.

I also dislike the advent of voice chats for raiding purposes. I raided until SoD on live without using voice chat. Even when I quit live in VoA my guild didn’t require voice chat and in those events you have multiple emotes and twitch responses you need to prevent wiping the raid.

It blows my mind how guilds on P99 feel voice chat is required for success when basically every raid target is the same with one or two AEs and a single tank, especially pre-Velious.

But I don’t believe a single chat box would dictate that players need Discord to be able to function or that it would wipe away group chat. You’d just have to filter out other hits/spells and a few other chat pieces people send to spam windows. Especially in early levels, your chat won’t be scrolling by that fast. Anyone will be able to read in between their cracked staff swings. Especially considering the resolution you’re playing on allows for a very tall chat box with many lines.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cycle target key - Makes CCing multiple mobs MUCH easier than it was in Classic. Essentially a buff to what is already the most overpowered class in the game (Enchanter).

3rd person scroll wheel - Allows for easier melee positioning and increases situational awareness at the cost of reducing immersion.

Both un-classic and should be removed.

You got any proof about cycle not being in game and when it was added? My memory is its original, but memory aint worth nothing.