Shaman are just good Necromancers

[Midoo]

I go for one day and my thread is derailed. Thanks guys.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Midoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I go for one day and my thread is derailed. Thanks guys.

Well but:

Originally Posted by fiveeauxfour [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whats the best race for a shaman?

That's like casting a magic "agro all Shaman" spell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I'm 99% certain fieeauxfour was not asking that question seriously, but rather was referencing it's magic spell-like powers. But that spell is so powerful ...

[Danth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well but:

That's like casting a magic "agro all Shaman" spell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I'm 99% certain fieeauxfour was not asking that question seriously, but rather was referencing it's magic spell-like powers. But that spell is so powerful ...

That's what my *first* response in this thread was getting at: He was casting a wide net, and knew it. It's an effective net, too. But heck, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Danth

[fiveeauxfour]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. I'm 99% certain fieeauxfour was not asking that question seriously,

I hadn't seen one of these stupid shaman race threads in a while, so....

this topic usually brings out a special level of autism not seen in the normal fodder of this cesspool

PS I <3 you nerds

[Zeboim]

It just gives credence to how balanced Shaman races are.

That said, I think the argument is a bit different depending on blue or green specifically. A shaman without Torpor, JBB, fungi, Canni 2, epic... the fsi vs regen question is weighted a bit differently.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who says Ogre is the best Shaman race is really just annoyed at the thought of getting stunned for a couple seconds and having to click the spell an extra time. Not what it’s actually doing in making them be a better shaman.

It's often more than a couple seconds difference. Many casts are very long at high levels. You could be losing as many as 8 seconds of cast time if a bash interrupts you - 6 seconds of casting interrupted + 2 seconds of stun.

Time is money. If you are losing 2 minutes of time per fight when soloing because of getting bashed, then your rate of being able to farm has been significantly slowed down. That can also make the difference when trying to solo a hard NPC. When you are being hit *multiple* NPC's, the difference of not getting stunned is also definitely a big difference in whether you might survive or not.

Originally Posted by Zeboim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It just gives credence to how balanced Shaman races are.

That said, I think the argument is a bit different depending on blue or green specifically. A shaman without Torpor, JBB, fungi, Canni 2, epic... the fsi vs regen question is weighted a bit differently.

Regen is definitely more important pre-Kunark.

Shaman races would be "balanced" in Kunark era if JBB was Barbarian only. That race has nothing else relevant to offer in terms of actual abilities.

[Teppler]

First you have to decide, over the long term, if you are going to be a shaman that tanks melee hits or not. If you don't, Troll is undoubtedly better. This can often be the case for a raid toon.

If you do non raid stuff after 60 then you can start making the comparison.

I have FSI and I love it. Wouldn't trade it in. Factor in spell interrupts and how much time FSI saves, thus allowing for more spells. Need to weigh that against extra regen. Not to mention the reliability FSI affords. You know what is going to get through with a lot more reliability thus can plan better. There's moments, very practically, when you need torpor or slow to get through and an interrupt is really bad.

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First you have to decide, over the long term, if you are going to be a shaman that tanks melee hits or not. If you don't, Troll is undoubtedly better. This can often be the case for a raid toon.

If you do non raid stuff after 60 then you can start making the comparison.

I have FSI and I love it. Wouldn't trade it in. Factor in spell interrupts and how much time FSI saves, thus allowing for more spells. Need to weigh that against extra regen. Not to mention the reliability FSI affords. You know what is going to get through with a lot more reliability thus can plan better. There's moments, very practically, when you need torpor or slow to get through and an interrupt is really bad.

Seriously, the answer is FSI. Shaman spells are sooo slow as it is.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Maschenny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously, the answer is FSI. Shaman spells are sooo slow as it is.

Nah, Teppler's right, it depends heavily on the individual player's circumstances. Bash resist becomes totally worthless the moment you aren't being hit. In a three hour session earlier the wife's shaman was struck in melee while channeling a spell exactly six times, and interrupted from a bash precisely once. We counted. (It interrupted bane of nife, not even important.) That's typical for us. There are days she doesn't get hit at all. For that set of circumstances the ogre racial is fluff.

Nice racial to have--never required, but nice--when solo. Those high-level spells cast sloooooowwwwwwwly.

Danth

[brokenpromise]

Interesting thread. I've been threatening to roll a shaman recently. Looks like the community is divided for once.

How many have leveled troll or ogre? Anyone level both?