Why are p99 devs trying to make Green non-classic and ignoring proof?

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a thought experiment, let's say the OP's idea prevailed and was the rule on Green. Is there any way that does not end with groups of Wizard alts perma camping Guise/Manastone on a timer and selling loot rights? Knowing what we know about the P1999 playerbase, could we honestly expect anything different? I don't think we could. It would be a ridiculous shitfest. The list concept is the best compromise available to maintain the items as NPC drops.

Frankly, I would rather both items be removed entirely or awarded randomly in regular GM events for the first few months of the server.

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Z, just compare the populations of the server with the play nice policy and the server where you can take what you want with enough force.

Pretty sure the devs did not spend 10 years of their lives to create a server environment where 30-50 neckbeards will chase everyone else off just to stay "as classic as possible".

Sensible people.

[loramin]

Jesus christ I can't believe I'm doing this, but ... I'm going to defend Zura for a moment here (sort of).

Look, Zura is just that kid that believed all the other kids because he wanted to be cool. Like when a bunch of boys say "it'd be cool if someone stuck firecrackers up that cat's butt", but they're just being boys and no one is serious.

Well ... except for that one boy who doesn't quite fit in, but desperately wants to. He goes "yeah, that'd be cool", and both because he wants to belong, and because something's not 100% right with him, he actually sticks firecrackers up the cat's butt. And then he doesn't understand why all the boys reject him afterwards.

What I'm trying to get at is, we're the rest of the boys. We have a "classic fetish" here, and we compete over who knows more about how classic really was. Whenever R&N drop some patch that makes the game objectively worse (eg. removing pet windows), the "cool kids" all cheer and tell anyone who complains to go back to live.

Collectively we are not honest with ourselves about how some shit in classic really, truly, sucked. We all want to look cool to the true "cool kids" (R&N), so we defend classic no matter what. In a way, we're all responsible for this thread and Zura's mad crusade to make Green "really classic".

Zura is our creation, our "golem":

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[ThonDaMan]

Neckbeard has been triggered that his plan to perma-camp was spoiled.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not EXACTLY classic, cool ranch doritos

Well I mean, if you can create a situation that forces everyone who will play on green to forget what items drop where in the game, use a dialup connection, and old operating systems and the first client, help those bros out.

[Chortles Snort|eS]

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[KOOLLAYD]

I don't know why you all are giving the OP shit. He made some valid points. You should earn what you get in game. In any game really. I also get why they made the changes they did. People weren't pulling the crap on live back then that some of them do now. Not really. Honestly though I think everyone should wait and see how it actually works in game before forming an opinion about whether or not it is a good or bad idea. I'm just saying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by KOOLLAYD [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why you all are giving the OP shit. He made some valid points. You should earn what you get in game. In any game really. I also get why they made the changes they did. People weren't pulling the crap on live back then that some of them do now. Not really. Honestly though I think everyone should wait and see how it actually works in game before forming an opinion about whether or not it is a good or bad idea. I'm just saying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can already tell how it will work, though, at least according to what was written.

Items only drop a particular # of times per day. If getting an item is determined by remaining online and "non afk", then a non-neckbeardy player is inherently never going to be able to get certain items, so long as the minimum wait time is something like 24+ hours (which is already a very conservative estimate for what you can expect when arriving to a certain camp with a list going).

Neckbeardy players who share accounts can hand off their list spot and just keep bringing different accounts/characters to the camp, while people who don't do that will inherently be removed from this impossible-to-achieve list, since no normal player is going to stay logged on for such long periods of time.

Originally Posted by slowpoke68 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone else pointed out OP, you can sit this one out in protest, and so can anyone else who feels the need to be an utter and complete dick about a bunch of circa 1999 pixels on a computer screen.

Nobody is being a "complete and utter dick". The issue here is history and what is correct. When people try to incorrectly portray history, it's not a problem that you fix by "sitting out" and staying silent. That doesn't change things. p99 describes itself as trying to be a museum of the game as it existed back then. If you are a museum of American history, for example, and you try to intentionally leave out the American Civil War as something which happened, that's a big yikes. And that's what is happening here right now, on p99.

Also, I wasn't going to play Green server regardless, so long as it was only static recreation of the outdated game code. There's just no point for me, unless my friends wanted to try it for the first time. In that case I could have found enjoyment in getting to see friends experience a new EQ server for the first time, and follow along with their journey.

[Coridan]

You're forgetting the biggest difference between P99 and classic that can't really be changed (or you would bitch about just as much if it was) that's FORESIGHT.

There weren't guilds permacamping manastone and guise in classic. At least not any more than people camped FBSS or other cool items. They didn't know the item was going to be removed one day so there wasn't an obsession with having it. Unless you get rid of those items from day 1 of the server people know they're going to no long drop one day so everyone has way more interest in getting it while they can than they would have during classic era.

[Demoraliser]

Be reasonable nilbog,
I left my wife and signed away the kids to her. She did get a majority of everything in the divorce. I have to pay alimony and child support for the next 12 years. I did this all so I could camp manastones and guises for all 8 characters on each of my 25 accounts. I already planned on losing my job because I can't be bothered to go into work. So I've got the welfare paperwork pre-filled out and ready to submit oct 25th. I invested in enhancements to my bathroom so I can play continuously. Pizza hut and kfc are on my speed dial in case I need the raw energy to push forwards. I hope you reconsider the camp lists idea. It's detrimental to the health and community of green. Hopefully you'll see things for what they should be, classic.

[Troxx]

This again?