Frustration over lack of clarity from CSR on contested Epic mobs. Solve before Green

[Siberious]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello,

The recent call that involved DiogenesThaDogg never felt 100% right to me, a lot of arguments could be made for FTE or campable. I compared VT/VD to Hadden and SF, but Llandris made a very compelling argument which I'll list below.

I brought the topic up with other Senior Staff and we combed through countless past calls relating to these two spawns. The overwhelming majority is that it's FTE, not campable.

I put non-raid, single target, no PH spawns into two categories.

1. Campable, but must keep guards clear.
Sir Lucan
Drusella Sathir

2. Campable, but must get FTE within a reasonable amount of time.
Hadden
Stormfeather

I originally put VT/VD into this category but because they are generally killed with 2+ players, this makes it really hard.



As we see it this goes against the "stalling" or "kill within a reasonable amount of time" guideline we
have stated countless times for other camps. So I can understand the confusion among players(and staff apparently).

So, we're making this official. A third category.

3. FTE, let the race begin.
Verina Tomb
Vessel Drozlin

I'll see if I can talk Nilbog/Rogean into putting a FTE emote on these two mobs which would make it pretty clear what kind of encounter this is and stop any confusion that may come up in the future.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, but going forward you have this post to go on as a concrete guideline backed up by the Server GM and other Senior Staff.



If anyone has shared the screenshot that DiogeneThaDogg has posted, please remove it or edit the
post stating the call has been reversed.

Thanks for quick response about how the camp will be ruled/escalation for figuring it out.

[ralyn]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, we're making this official. A third category.

3. FTE, let the race begin.
Verina Tomb
Vessel Drozlin

I'll see if I can talk Nilbog/Rogean into putting a FTE emote on these two mobs which would make it pretty clear what kind of encounter this is and stop any confusion that may come up in the future.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, but going forward you have this post to go on as a concrete guideline backed up by the Server GM and other Senior Staff.



If anyone has shared the screenshot that DiogeneThaDogg has posted, please remove it or edit the
post stating the call has been reversed.

Thank you for conferring and looking into this deeply, as I agree, this was a very "grey" area. However, since the call was reversed, and moving forward this is a FTE mob, officially, is there going to be a reparation for the group that had FTE in the first place? This isn't a simple spawn, it is and has always been highly contested and the window is quite large, sitting around stinky Dark Elves.

Any chance there is a "good-will" gesture to the players involved that, in the end, were correct? Whatever your answer is fine, but I do feel like I need to ask as I have had 2 lvl 60 Enchanters and camped this spawn for I don't even know how many hours. I was there to help a guildmate kill her, with FTE in mind. I am not saying any bans or disciplines should be assessed, because as it seems, it was cloudy. However, through all the posts, it is quite obvious it has always been understood to be a FTE.

Any leniency on this, given the outcome the staff and GM's determined is correct, would be greatly appreciated.

[Menden]

Originally Posted by ralyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for conferring and looking into this deeply, as I agree, this was a very "grey" area. However, since the call was reversed, and moving forward this is a FTE mob, officially, is there going to be a reparation for the group that had FTE in the first place? This isn't a simple spawn, it is and has always been highly contested and the window is quite large, sitting around stinky Dark Elves.

Any chance there is a "good-will" gesture to the players involved that, in the end, were correct? Whatever your answer is fine, but I do feel like I need to ask as I have had 2 lvl 60 Enchanters and camped this spawn for I don't even know how many hours. I was there to help a guildmate kill her, with FTE in mind.

Any leniency on this, given the outcome the staff and GM's determined is correct, would be greatly appreciated.

That is between us and the parties involved. If they wish to share the outcome, that's up to them.

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[Khaleesi]

Originally Posted by ralyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for conferring and looking into this deeply, as I agree, this was a very "grey" area. However, since the call was reversed, and moving forward this is a FTE mob, officially, is there going to be a reparation for the group that had FTE in the first place? This isn't a simple spawn, it is and has always been highly contested and the window is quite large, sitting around stinky Dark Elves.

Any chance there is a "good-will" gesture to the players involved that, in the end, were correct? Whatever your answer is fine, but I do feel like I need to ask as I have had 2 lvl 60 Enchanters and camped this spawn for I don't even know how many hours. I was there to help a guildmate kill her, with FTE in mind. I am not saying any bans or disciplines should be assessed, because as it seems, it was cloudy. However, through all the posts, it is quite obvious it has always been understood to be a FTE.

Any leniency on this, given the outcome the staff and GM's determined is correct, would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is between us and the parties involved. If they wish to share the outcome, that's up to them.

edit:words

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is between us and the parties involved. If they wish to share the outcome, that's up to them.

edit:words

Considering you've - intentional or not - made a fairly significant mistake here, and given the nature and scope if the issue, it would be more appropriate that staff indicate whether they in fact will act ethically.

There's three objectives to be achieved here :

1. Confirm the ruling of the mob mechanics - I suppose this is now done
2. Award the item to the rightful Enchanter
3. Take the item from the persons in the wrong

2. Needs to happen because it's the right thing to do.
3. Needs to happen to send a message. As far as I am concerned every player whom acted in bad faith on this, did knowingly. Regardless, they (according to your final ruling of FTE) KS'd the mob and they should be disciplined.


It's also exacerbated by the fact that in this scenario, it went from FTE to camp to FTE. That means that the individuals in question whom were transgressed, now have a harder time of doing it over again should there be no ruling to award them the items.
They have to effectively give up the camp, and let it become a race again. At least for that brief moment, they had the advantage of holding the camp.

[DromalPhrenia]

Thank you very much for the update, Menden! I've already completed the Enchanter epic (and dont envision doing so again) but the prior decision seemed to run counter to everyone's experience on the matter.

Now I have to find any posts where I referenced it and edit them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[jmclark3592]

its Not easy to admit you’re wrong so I appreciate the reverse ruling . But Khaleesi is right again- the poor guy who originally lost his petition has been camping VT nonstop based on the original ruling that it’s a camp. Also Menden even says it’s always been treated FTE - everyone seemed to know it but him. It needs to get corrected.

[18120]

Thank you for this clarification and the addition of the FTE emotes should make it very clear.

[Madbad]

Respect

[Nirgon]

Wait till I roll up on green. Better have my 400k (or 1.2million on blue).

[ralyn]

Please close this thread. So many squirrel moments that are irrelevant to the topic