What to twink? Wood Elf Ranger or Dark Elf Necro

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious what experiences people have had with ranger tanks. A full set of Golden Leaf armor (160AC) is barely ahead of the Indicolite armor (155 AC) that Warriors were wearing in classic era and compares very poorly with Myrmidon armor (250 AC) although not so badly with Blood Lord's armor (188 AC). Evidently the dragons prefer warriors! The blocking skills aren't that far behind the real tanks, but the 200 cap on raw defense is brutal and rangers are on the 4 HP/STA table so Complete Heal gets much less efficient.

I can see this working well before 50 when defense starts to lag, or with a defensively oriented class setup, say a cleric with clarity and a shaman doing nothing but slow. But in a more balanced setup, say tank + MNK/CLR/ENC, can the ranger really hold up when not every NPC is slowed?

works fine outside velious.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

works fine outside velious.

Yea for sure. And Rangers play a relatively-critical role on the hardest raid Velious targets using their Weaponshield disc to allow for tankswaps - so they can actually be pretty fun to play on some raids!

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious what experiences people have had with ranger tanks. A full set of Golden Leaf armor (160AC) is barely ahead of the Indicolite armor (155 AC) that Warriors were wearing in classic era and compares very poorly with Myrmidon armor (250 AC) although not so badly with Blood Lord's armor (188 AC). Evidently the dragons prefer warriors! The blocking skills aren't that far behind the real tanks, but the 200 cap on raw defense is brutal and rangers are on the 4 HP/STA table so Complete Heal gets much less efficient.

I can see this working well before 50 when defense starts to lag, or with a defensively oriented class setup, say a cleric with clarity and a shaman doing nothing but slow. But in a more balanced setup, say tank + MNK/CLR/ENC, can the ranger really hold up when not every NPC is slowed?

TLDR: it feels to me that the 'best of the worst' title is between Bard and Monk, with Ranger well behind.

There is so much AC gear available that any half geared melee is going to be at max mitigation against almost all XP content in the 50s. Even rangers with their terrible defence skill.

This doesn't completely disqualify Rangers from their 'bad tank' reputation; it's not actually their mitigation which causes them problems; it is their lower avoidance (due to their paltry defence skill) and their lower Max hp.

I.e a ranger isn't likely to be taking any more damage than any other melee on a per hit basis, the truth is they are just taking a larger number of hits and their low hp means each one of those hits represents a larger percentage of their health. This double drawback is what makes cheals so much more frequent compared to warriors/Knights/monks.

A ranger isn't completely adrift without a shaman; indeed they can potentially self haste and have a few sources of slow. On top of this from 55+ they get chloroplast (and skin like nature if you are rocking with a necromancer as healer) for regen.

All this said, at 60 a ranger can tank things like fungi king and Kael Arena so while they have their problems they are on the right side of adequate if no other tank is available.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious what experiences people have had with ranger tanks. A full set of Golden Leaf armor (160AC) is barely ahead of the Indicolite armor (155 AC) that Warriors were wearing in classic era and compares very poorly with Myrmidon armor (250 AC) although not so badly with Blood Lord's armor (188 AC). Evidently the dragons prefer warriors! The blocking skills aren't that far behind the real tanks, but the 200 cap on raw defense is brutal and rangers are on the 4 HP/STA table so Complete Heal gets much less efficient.

I can see this working well before 50 when defense starts to lag, or with a defensively oriented class setup, say a cleric with clarity and a shaman doing nothing but slow. But in a more balanced setup, say tank + MNK/CLR/ENC, can the ranger really hold up when not every NPC is slowed?

TLDR: it feels to me that the 'best of the worst' title is between Bard and Monk, with Ranger well behind.

It is rough on unslowed mobs, but going ranger + CLR/SHM/ENC vs knight + CLR/ENC/No Shaman, you're going to come out pretty close because knight dps sucks so bad.

My argument being that RNG/MNK/ROG/CLE/SHM/ENC is better than PAL or SK/MNK/ROG/CLE/SHM/ENCH in all situations except unslowable mobs.

[SewingMachine]

What would a necro twink look like ? Filling every spot.

[Jimjam]

7 bags full of bone chips?

[snyder43]

Originally Posted by SewingMachine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would a necro twink look like ? Filling every spot.

Probably like this.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

7 bags full of bone chips?

+ shovel of ponz

[SewingMachine]

Originally Posted by snyder43 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably like this.

Thanks the response.

[Xaeophi]

<3 Rangers. As someone mentioned earlier. Be sure to utilize your spells. Fear/kite Rhinos,Tigresses,Tigers in OT While the fungi tunic heals you up. Work on your epic. The Main hand epic is a game changer while in the 50s - 60. Anything you wear makes you look like a boss.
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