Does a fungi "fix" Barb shamans?

[Troxx]

If a shaman had a fungi, they’d wear it.

They all have regen spells and only the worst of them don’t keep it up constantly (caveat being the 60 shaman who has torpor and isn’t super worried about min/maxing.)

Regeneration is clutch to the shaman classes. We all know and acknowledge this but the discussion always breaks down with people doing mental gymnastics trying to rationalize racial regen not being important.

1-50 troll/iksar regen is double. After 51 it takes off exponentially. Make no mistake, it’s a big deal. Twinking out with a fungi mitigates this difference but does not eliminate it. Fungi or no fungi racial regen stacks and this still has value. For those who only care about performance at 60 with torpor or for those who’ve had torpor for longer than they can remember just know that lv 1-59.99 takes a long time. Balancing mana and regen while being expected to drop expensive slow bombs pull after pull all while buffing and healing is an art. Racial regen makes this job so much easier especially for those not supertwinking at a low level.


At the end of the day the most important thing is liking how you look. There are other reasons to pick other races (faction, leveling speed, FSI). They’re all right reasons.

That’s cool and all, but don’t be obtuse and try to strip away the logical value of racial regen with mental gymnastics. If regen wasn’t important, you wouldn’t fork over huge cash for a fungi and you wouldn’t obsessively refresh your regen buff every time it fell.

EQ is a game of small but mounting incremental gains. Racial regen isn’t a small gain.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a shaman had a fungi, they’d wear it.

They all have regen spells and only the worst of them don’t keep it up constantly (caveat being the 60 shaman who has torpor and isn’t super worried about min/maxing.)

True: pre-Topor any form of regeneration (spell, racial or Fungi) is awesome for Shaman.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people doing mental gymnastics trying to rationalize racial regen not being important.

1-50 troll/iksar regen is double. After 51 it takes off exponentially. Make no mistake, it’s a big deal.

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Racial regen isn’t a small gain.

I think the problem is that you're talking in absolutes, but this stuff isn't absolute, it's relative. It's not "is Iksar/Troll regen good?" (I agree that it is), it's "is Iksar/Troll regen better or worse than FSI or a significantly faster leveling?" And relative to the Shaman XP bonus (and faction), in my opinion the regen is just not as good for getting you to level 60 (and then it's not very useful once you have Torpor at 60).

But people can crunch the numbers to argue either way, and ultimately it's subjective because people level differently, die at different rates, spend more/less time AFK recovering, etc. All I can say is that based on my many years playing a Shaman both here and on live, my best subjective-but-trying-to-be-objective assessment is that the XP bonus gets you to 60 faster.

Even so I freely admit that both regen and the XP bonus help you get to 60 faster, and both give a fairly close benefit ... it's just that (again) exactly how close depends on your playstyle.

[Trzzle]

Ogre stun immune is hugely overrated.

Iksar is HAWT!

Troll snare neck is super nice.

Barbarians are aids race.

The only true reason to pick one race over another is fashion. Just say you picked barbarian for polar bear hat and illusion and we can move on and not laugh at you. These silly stretch reasons like faction and xp penalty are sad. Every race can fix faction super easily, and can bank in any city even without fixing faction.

My shaman is Iksar for sweet robe graphic and racial superiority. Have access to friends Ogre and another friends Troll. No reason to ever play the Ogre, the Troll is nice because of snare necklace.

[Crede]

Play what you want to look at the most. If you like all equally, troll is the best shaman. Regen, snare neck, and jbb. FSI on ogre overrated. By the time you hit 60 and get torpor and don’t want to make a new alt? Still would take Regen over FSI.

[Lojik]

With a fungi, a Barbarian at low levels will perform almost as well as a troll/iksar/ogre, and probably level faster due to the racial penalty being stronger than the boon of innate regen. Racial regen v. no racial regen loses a bit of its luster if you throw a fungi into the mix, especially at low levels. Below level 20 a troll/iksar with fungi regens standing at 17/tick, a non iksar/troll at 16/tick. At level 60 with fungi, Troll/Iksar 27/tick versus 19/tick. Throw in Torpor and it's pretty small.

I picked troll for my shaman because I preferred the look anyway, and racial regen was nice. It was also my first character so I feel like it helped. But for my first twink character I went human monk. With a fungi the racial choice didn't really matter much until 60, but it's very likely I got 60 faster specifically because I went human.

[Lordgordon]

The only fix is the delete button

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Lordgordon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only fix is the delete button

[Raev]

I remember discussing this with Orruar (barbarian) and his logic on the fungi was 'just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean you don't want more'. Shaman are an active class that takes a lot of damage when played well and you have to recuperate somehow. And the mana regen is great, but Turgur's, Malo, Bane of Nife, and Chloroblast spam are all tremendously expensive. IMO the fungi and Vindi BP are very close despite the latter's massive advantage in literally every statistic.

OP: you have to ask yourself whether you are going to be OK with being say 3-5% worse than a Troll (or Iksar) for the sake of fashionquest. Personally I like the Iksar models, so going Iksar shaman was easy. If only Monk/Shaman wasn't so so so terrible on TAKP . . .

[E-Queue]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP: you have to ask yourself whether you are going to be OK with being say 3-5% worse than a Troll (or Iksar) for the sake of fashionquest.

That's a great way of putting it. In my case, the answer is yes. I'm okay with being less efficient as long as the difference isn't huge. My main concern was whether the difference for shaman was as dramatic as the difference between Iksar and other races for necromancer. I think this thread has convinced me that the difference is not insignificant, but it is nowhere near as big a deal for shaman. Given far easier access to regen items and regen spells for shaman, this makes perfect sense.

Thanks again for all the replies. Great info here.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by E-Queue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a great way of putting it. In my case, the answer is yes. I'm okay with being less efficient as long as the difference isn't huge. My main concern was whether the difference for shaman was as dramatic as the difference between Iksar and other races for necromancer. I think this thread has convinced me that the difference is not insignificant, but it is nowhere near as big a deal for shaman. Given far easier access to regen items and regen spells for shaman, this makes perfect sense.

Thanks again for all the replies. Great info here.

Wow I disagree a lot with what’s being said in this thread.

I think at 60 the racial difference for necro won’t account for much more of an effective necro whether you’re iksar or not. I think the difference is much bigger on shaman and actually can make a difference in a lot of places.

Regen is always a big deal. Even at 60 after you have torpor. If nothing else, it’s such an awesome quality of life thing to get away from torpor after torpor after torpor.

Judging by this thread and what people say I’d judge ogre the worst shaman class but I think the FSI is invaluable. I’m also jealous and wish I had some of the troll perks of extra regen and snare. That stuff matters and I would really enjoy having it. Compared to my dark elf necro... with level 60 lich and life taps, I’m not really missing racial regen.