Enchanter Spell Gems

[Rang]

I keep calm in the first slot bc I basically only solo and even in groups enchanters are very effective split pullers. Calm will give you a cool down error if you go to fast but if you time it right you can cast it much faster. Even for things like VOG with a long initial cool down with gcd you can prob cut down 5-10 sec off the timer so you can cast it faster on those crying melees if you don’t keep it up. I roll with:

Calm
Mez / ae mez
Charm
Color shift
Blanket of forget / mem blur
Bedlam
Tash
Theft of thought / root

I use first slot to swap out pillage enchantment and slow once engaged.

[snyder43]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thay being said, once I hit 60 and my mana pool hit 3500 plus, I think I have memmed allure a handful of times. It’s just not better than Boltran’s in almost any way once your mana pool can handle it.

I think it really depends on your play style and which spell works best for your current situation. If you're goal is single kills on 55+ mobs (like DS), or just charming a level 52-53 mob, Boltran's is better. But if you're goal is to kill as many mobs as possible by keeping a pet for hours at a time (i.e. Fe'Dhars), Allure is the way to go because it can last 19 minutes, compared to 7 minutes for Boltran's, and costs 155 less mana.

Also keep in mind that there are times when you will have very bad luck with charm breaks. The other day I had 3 charm breaks on one mob with my light blue shambling cube pet that I had been using for 2 hours without a problem.

3 Mezs + 3 Allures = 795 mana
3 Boltran's = 1200 mana

If you're already low on mana, that extra 405 can make a big difference. Then again, if your pet is not rooted or mezed within melee range of the mob, the 1 minute, 12 seconds you have to wait for your mezes to wear off could mean that you need to re-root and re-slow the mob (300 mana), negating most of the mana you saved from using Allure instead of Boltran's, in addition to screwing up your spawn cycle if your mobs' spawn timers are close together.

EDIT: I should also mention that charm breaks are a great time to re-tash your pet, especially if your pet's tash is going to wear off in the next few minutes, which you can't really do without using a mez on your pet. This negates the time you save from using Boltran's over Allure.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by snyder43 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it really depends on your play style and which spell works best for your current situation. If you're goal is single kills on 55+ mobs (like DS), or just charming a level 52-53 mob, Boltran's is better. But if you're goal is to kill as many mobs as possible by keeping a pet for hours at a time (i.e. Fe'Dhars), Allure is the way to go because it can last 19 minutes, compared to 7 minutes for Boltran's, and costs 155 less mana.

Also keep in mind that there are times when you will have very bad luck with charm breaks. The other day I had 3 charm breaks on one mob with my light blue shambling cube pet that I had been using for 2 hours without a problem.

3 Mezs + 3 Allures = 795 mana
3 Boltran's = 1200 mana

If you're already low on mana, that extra 405 can make a big difference. Then again, if your pet is not rooted or mezed within melee range of the mob, the 1 minute, 12 seconds you have to wait for your mezes to wear off could mean that you need to re-root and re-slow the mob (300 mana), negating most of the mana you saved from using Allure instead of Boltran's, in addition to screwing up your spawn cycle if your mobs' spawn timers are close together.

EDIT: I should also mention that charm breaks are a great time to re-tash your pet, especially if your pet's tash is going to wear off in the next few minutes, which you can't really do without using a mez on your pet. This negates the time you save from using Boltran's over Allure.

Since I love this kind of debate, i’ll elaborate some more on my thought process.

The major advantage of allure is that it’s cheaper. Other than the fact that is has a lower mana cost, it also has a longer potential run time, which also makes it cheaper in the long run.

There are a number of advantages to Boltran’s from my perspective that outweigh the mana cost, including: shorter cast time, ability to cast within a stun (which can allow you to free up a spell slot, or make different choices in which mezzes you use), reduce chances for interrupts, and you can charm higher level pets without concern

Once you start regularly dealing with summoning mobs, the standard root all potential targets protocol is no longer effective means of CC because they will summon you. This, during a charm break, you have to deal with two mobs at once. Remezzing both using a si for target mez is ineffective because of interrupts, so you are likely using mesmerization or fascination, and there is a decent chance you Blur one or both mobs which may result in regen in some zones. Keep in mind, you are still using the same basic process to get to this point - pbaoe -> tash -> pbaoe -> recharm versus pbaoe -> mez -> tash -> recharm.

In short - you have the same amount of steps, but IMO, less risk by using Boltran’s. If you are regularly dealing with non-summoning mobs, your strategy is effective. But summoners change the game and forced me to change my game to deal with them effectively. Because my mana pool can support it, I only rarely run allure now - because Boltran’s gives me more flexibility (I don’t necessarily even need to run a single target mez).

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I love this kind of debate, i’ll elaborate some more on my thought process.

The major advantage of allure is that it’s cheaper. Other than the fact that is has a lower mana cost, it also has a longer potential run time, which also makes it cheaper in the long run.

There are a number of advantages to Boltran’s from my perspective that outweigh the mana cost, including: shorter cast time, ability to cast within a stun (which can allow you to free up a spell slot, or make different choices in which mezzes you use), reduce chances for interrupts, and you can charm higher level pets without concern

Once you start regularly dealing with summoning mobs, the standard root all potential targets protocol is no longer effective means of CC because they will summon you. This, during a charm break, you have to deal with two mobs at once. Remezzing both using a si for target mez is ineffective because of interrupts, so you are likely using mesmerization or fascination, and there is a decent chance you Blur one or both mobs which may result in regen in some zones. Keep in mind, you are still using the same basic process to get to this point - pbaoe -> tash -> pbaoe -> recharm versus pbaoe -> mez -> tash -> recharm.

In short - you have the same amount of steps, but IMO, less risk by using Boltran’s. If you are regularly dealing with non-summoning mobs, your strategy is effective. But summoners change the game and forced me to change my game to deal with them effectively. Because my mana pool can support it, I only rarely run allure now - because Boltran’s gives me more flexibility (I don’t necessarily even need to run a single target mez).

Every chanter knows dealing with summoning mobs u go with boltrons, this has nothing to do with "risk" but because there is a high chance allure wont work cuz of level restriction - bottomline there is absolutely no reason to use boltrons when mobs are 51 or below

Of the 4 "advantages" you listed 2 are given (shorter cast time and charm higher level mobs) 2 are duplicates (able to cast within a stun and not getting interrupted is the same). Why do I need a shorter cast time when allure can be casted within a stun as well? If the mob is 52+ then there is NO CHOICE but to use boltrons, this does not mean boltrons is better, it is because you have no other options. If I am going to charm a bok knight I'm going to use allure, boltron has ZERO advantage.

Also, the only difference in handling charm breaks with and without summoners is AE mez. Everquest and enchanter is not rocket science.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you calm all the relevant mobs you can pull singles forever. The agro radius is so small that you could fight singles forever as long as you can calm the mobs. With gnome vision, good charisma, and patience you are the best dungeon soloer in the game because of it and the rest of the enchanter kit.

I was hoping wagof could explain how calm is useful outside of pulling.

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was hoping wagof could explain how calm is useful outside of pulling.

Calm + blur baby

Either for sending unwanted mobs back to their spawn location....or you can also heal your pet back up quickly by breaking, rooting, calm, mez, blur....pet regens back to full super fast, re-charm, go kill more.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Calm + blur baby

Either for sending unwanted mobs back to their spawn location....or you can also heal your pet back up quickly by breaking, rooting, calm, mez, blur....pet regens back to full super fast, re-charm, go kill more.

What he said.

Also, precalm and camp pets to make them go home. No need to take any damage!

[kjs86z]

Ah yes, the precalm.

I only produce the finest precalm.

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What he said.

Also, precalm and camp pets to make them go home. No need to take any damage!

This is my signature move

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by enjchanter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is my signature move

It’s hella more efficient if you aren’t worried about losing the camp.