Staff Changes

[Oleris]

Welcome back Sirken.

[Sonderbeast]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would also like to address the method that this situation came to be. Personally, I'm quite pissed off that I have to find out things like this from a post on an external website. As if nobody actually thought to themself, hmm I think it would be a good idea for Rogean or Nilbog to take a look at these screenshots. For 2 years it was sit on, and instead of coming to us at any point, I stumble across them on an offsite thread. The method to report such behavior is and always has been a Forum PM to myself and/or nilbog. Do not send it on a communication medium that I haven't used for over a year, and don't bury it within a 50 page essay of all the other opinionated circumstantial disputes as if it's some surprise at the end. There's a distinctive difference between opinionated disputes ("Soandso ruled against my guild and is only banning my players") and definitive evidence of a misuse of access ("Here's proof Soandso gave away information and summoned Prismatic Weapons for someone"). The latter needs to be reported immediately and unfiltered. I don't ever want to hear that someone didn't report a serious breach of policy because "We reported raid dispute favoritism and nothing was done, why would you do something about this". I've made a lot of changes over the years to keep staff members accountable to each other, including command logs viewable on Discord for all Senior+ Guides (Even my own commands, you can see an example here). Commands alone sometimes do not show us the true intention, and for that we will always rely on the community to report suspicious behavior.

Let me preface this that I genuinely am responding in a spirit of constructive criticism in order to help you see our (the players) perspective.

When you say that you are 'pissed' that you found this from an external website and that no one notified you about it, I don't really think anyone thought you would care, and that the result of doing so would be a perma-ban. Consider the atmosphere players have been under for the past six months to a year.

Awakened was banned for two months (more? it was a really long time) which lead to its death. Shortly after that, Core was banned for another significant portion of time (2 months? 3?). I watched as related forum accounts were banned for negligible reasons, like expressing opinions or frustrations over decisions made - not 'bashing staff'.

I'm a part of neither party above, but I can tell you that this sort of thing creates fear. Even players who 'should have nothing to fear' are afraid of saying GM's names because the heavy handed approach has made you into boogeymen - even though a majority of us have no beef with GM's and appreciate you. We're afraid of getting years of playtime and effort erased in a sweeping ban because someone 'bashed the staff'.

When GM's are set up precedent to be de-facto infallible, you can't blame us (all players) for being afraid to bring even a legitimate criticism of a staff member, especially with such a Senior Guide who has done so much and who has invested so much time into this server. I hope that you can see from our (or maybe just primarily my) perspective that keeping our accounts are more important to us than a GM bending the rules a bit.

btw hi Llandris <3

[Menden]

Originally Posted by Sonderbeast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me preface this that I genuinely am responding in a spirit of constructive criticism in order to help you see our (the players) perspective.

When you say that you are 'pissed' that you found this from an external website and that no one notified you about it, I don't really think anyone thought you would care, and that the result of doing so would be a perma-ban. Consider the atmosphere players have been under for the past six months to a year.

My personal opinion is, when you have evidence that one of us is corrupt or made a bad call, it's only fair to give the Senior Staff a chance to handle it. If for some reason you don't get a response within a couple weeks, do what you will but at least give them a chance. The other thing is, unless you PM us some vulgar obscenity, I can't see you getting banned or suspended. There has been many, many players that have tested my patience that I could of easily justified a suspension, and I know other staff have been in the same situation. In our roles there's accusations of favoritism every god damn day... there's so much you guys don't see. I didn't learn about true crazy till I started volunteering to help run this server. If Rogean would let me, I'd love to have a forum dedicated to "crazies" posts. Much like Maddox's hate mail, so good.

I deal with camp disputes every day, but those on such a small scale that people calm down after a couple hours or I give them a 12 hour break to chill out and I never hear anything about it after. Raid petitions suck because it affects so many people so the hate machine can grow much faster.

Just give management a chance to deal with situations, I'm just trying to show you these accusations are daily. But you must have evidence of some kind.

Awakened was banned for two months (more? it was a really long time) which lead to its death. Shortly after that, Core was banned for another significant portion of time (2 months? 3?). I watched as related forum accounts were banned for negligible reasons, like expressing opinions or frustrations over decisions made - not 'bashing staff'.

There's a few petitions in our queue about these flagged for Rogean. It's his place to review the evidence and decide what to do case by case. As he stated he's working 85 hour weeks right now, so it'll take time. We have also had a flux of players thinking this is an opportunity to try getting unbanned/suspended for completely unrelated stuff, stop it.


<3

[tesaria]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other thing is, unless you PM us some vulgar obscenity, I can't see you getting banned or suspended. There has been many, many players that have tested my patience that I could of easily justified a suspension, and I know other staff have been in the same situation.

Perma banned by Sirken for sending him a Private message that would not even break forum ToS tho =/

[Ghostly]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My personal opinion is, when you have evidence that one of us is corrupt or made a bad call, it's only fair to give the Senior Staff a chance to handle it. If for some reason you don't get a response within a couple weeks, do what you will but at least give them a chance. The other thing is, unless you PM us some vulgar obscenity, I can't see you getting banned or suspended. There has been many, many players that have tested my patience that I could of easily justified a suspension, and I know other staff have been in the same situation. In our roles there's accusations of favoritism every god damn day... there's so much you guys don't see. I didn't learn about true crazy till I started volunteering to help run this server. If Rogean would let me, I'd love to have a forum dedicated to "crazies" posts. Much like Maddox's hate mail, so good.

Its hard to trust that sending anything this way is going to do anything but paint a target. After months of people eating bans for the smallest thing,s myself included for saying that it seemed like Core was being targetted, people don't even want to take the slightest chance of saying something against a GM/CSR, out of fear of losing all of their hard work

While I respect the choice to keep Sirken on staff, i find it mind blowing that only 1 of the things that was brought up ended up being found as "true" and i'm sure others feel the same way.

All this does is further add to the mis-trust players have, and the fear of repercussions.

[dussle27]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My personal opinion is, when you have evidence that one of us is corrupt or made a bad call, it's only fair to give the Senior Staff a chance to handle it. If for some reason you don't get a response within a couple weeks, do what you will but at least give them a chance. The other thing is, unless you PM us some vulgar obscenity, I can't see you getting banned or suspended. There has been many, many players that have tested my patience that I could of easily justified a suspension, and I know other staff have been in the same situation. In our roles there's accusations of favoritism every god damn day... there's so much you guys don't see. I didn't learn about true crazy till I started volunteering to help run this server. If Rogean would let me, I'd love to have a forum dedicated to "crazies" posts. Much like Maddox's hate mail, so good.

I deal with camp disputes every day, but those on such a small scale that people calm down after a couple hours or I give them a 12 hour break to chill out and I never hear anything about it after. Raid petitions suck because it affects so many people so the hate machine can grow much faster.

Just give management a chance to deal with situations, I'm just trying to show you these accusations are daily. But you must have evidence of some kind.



There's a few petitions in our queue about these flagged for Rogean. It's his place to review the evidence and decide what to do case by case. As he stated he's working 85 hour weeks right now, so it'll take time. We have also had a flux of players thinking this is an opportunity to try getting unbanned/suspended for completely unrelated stuff, stop it.


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Go to GMs with evidence and risk retaliation or post anonymously and put yourself at no risk... Seems like an easy choice. You sound like an HR representative trying to talk an employee out of seeking outside counsel for workplace harassment.

[Muggens]

Originally Posted by Bbeta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for the update. I agree that anyone who loves the server deserves second chances and the ability to play or help give back. Sirken loved the server and so do I. This post gives me hope that second chances and communication are possible here.

Long live Project 1999

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soo basically people made up a bunch of fake allegations and only 1 was true? What a bunch of scumbags whoever did that.

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Welcome back Sirken.

Originally Posted by Not_Mikeo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Menden for GM!

[Sonderbeast]

I fully support staff intervention in banning the assholes that are reiterating what Aikons and I tried to say constructively into a circle jerk excuse to flame staff. YOU are the problem, grow the fuck up.

[Rewzer]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My personal opinion is, when you have evidence that one of us is corrupt or made a bad call, it's only fair to give the Senior Staff a chance to handle it. If for some reason you don't get a response within a couple weeks, do what you will but at least give them a chance. The other thing is, unless you PM us some vulgar obscenity, I can't see you getting banned or suspended.

Menden, my character Naethyn was given a temporary ban for posting an image in RNF, because I was told it implied staff favoritism. That image had a discord quote that did not include who said it. I was banned permanently after making a post in the petition forum asking how it could imply staff favoritism, unless it was a staff member who said it. I then articulated my opinion of a member of the server staff. I was not permanently banned until I made that private, GM only petition. If you review the petition you will find it not safe at all to post anything in the GM only petition forum, even if it does not include vulgarity. When players are banned in game for posting in the private GM only forums it is completely reasonable to expect them to go to a third party site to make this information public, and the server staff here should not be surprised when the only avenue available is met with instant banishment.

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[Menden]

Originally Posted by Rewzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Menden, my character Naethyn was given a temporary ban for posting an image in RNF, because I was told it implied staff favoritism. That image had a discord quote that did not include who said it. I was banned permanently after making a post in the petition forum asking how it could imply staff favoritism, unless it was a staff member who said it. I then articulated my opinion of a member of the server staff. I was not permanently banned until I made that private, GM only petition. If you review the petition you will find it not safe at all to post anything in the GM only petition forum, even if it does not include vulgarity. When players are banned in game for posting in the private GM only forums it is completely reasonable to expect them to go to a third party site to make this information public, and the server staff here should not be surprised when the only avenue available is met with instant banishment.

It's flagged for Rogean.

Any issues with staff should be PMd to either Nilbog or Rogean. Once we get a GM, any issues with Guides should be sent to that GM.