That's racist!

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[Japan]

this tool

[Ongbak]

Only Neo-Con Sara Palin/NewtG/GBeck/Hannity/TeaBagger Folks would really believe this.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by bman8810 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is most definitely such a thing as "a race". We are all one species but we are distinguished by physical differences with the most significant being skin color.

However, the above comment is really just me being nitpicky. I understand and agree with the point you are making. As such, I do agree that over the years* "race" has culturally evolved away from the more scientific meaning into what it is today; i.e. a way of easily profiling groups of people (sometimes, maybe usually, offensively) based upon physical characteristics, cultural differences, practices, etc.

*Edit: Over the years? More like the beginning of time.

Tell me, what makes up a race? "Scientists" used to think there was such a thing, but upon further examination, they found that there really is no such thing. Provide me with evidence of the validity of such a term, and I will discuss it with you. However, I beseech you to first consider that more learned people are now discussing the differences between groups of people using 3 separate criteria: ethnicity, nationality, and culture. It is actually along these three lines that make up the major differences between people. For instance, it is extremely fallacious to call all white people one group, as it is to call all black people one group. To say that an Irishman is within the same group as a Romanian man is ludicrous, there are by far more differences than similarities. The same goes for saying that an American black man is in the same group as an African; both men might have the same ethnicity, but the differences in culture and the implications of their different nationalities make them about as similar as an apple to a cucumber.

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No such thing as a race? Lol, oh yes, how silly of me, we are all one under peace and love man, far out.

It's not hippy shit man, it's science. Of course, those words are synonyms to rednecks, so I'm really not surprised.

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it have been racist if the people sitting in those seats were Norwegian? The commercial isn't taking aim at "those buck-toothed yellow ****s" so much as it's taking a blow to Chinese policy, it's portraying the country of China as a nation of filthy communists plotting to overthrow your government, and laughing about it when it's said and done.

Again, it's nothing to do with the Chinese people, but everything to do with pro-American politics going against Chinese industrialization, and the only hatred they're spewing in this commercial is an intolerance of other governments questioning the might of the U.S economic machine.

That is a very superficial view of what is really going on behind the scenes of propaganda like this. In fact, the intent of the creators may have been exactly as you describe it, but the effects are drastically different. Which leads me to the connection between what you're saying and the next person:

Originally Posted by Ongbak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only Neo-Con Sara Palin/NewtG/GBeck/Hannity/TeaBagger Folks would really believe this.

It is exactly because people like the ones listed in this quote buy in to this nonsense that it is scary.

#1.) On a subconscious level for people who do not already hate Chinese people, these groups are being geared up to become intolerant of the Chinese. Perhaps already intolerant of the Chinese will simply hate them more, because this just adds fuel to the fire of their current hatred.

#2.) Dealing directly with Ongbak's quote, the problem with "only the groups you listed really believing this," is that those groups make up an extremely large and growing segment of the American people. To minimize these groups is to stick your head in the sand, especially in the face of the most recent House of Representatives vote, and all the attention in the media that Palin, et al, have been receiving from the VERY rich and powerful media outlets promoting them.

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This shit is scary, and to blow it off so easily shows a lack of foresight.

As far as why I am just now seeing this, I rarely watch network television, and yes, even though it may have been running for 6 months, I have just become aware of it.

[bman8810]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me, what makes up a race? "Scientists" used to think there was such a thing, but upon further examination, they found that there really is no such thing. Provide me with evidence of the validity of such a term, and I will discuss it with you. However, I beseech you to first consider that more learned people are now discussing the differences between groups of people using 3 separate criteria: ethnicity, nationality, and culture. It is actually along these three lines that make up the major differences between people. For instance, it is extremely fallacious to call all white people one group, as it is to call all black people one group. To say that an Irishman is within the same group as a Romanian man is ludicrous, there are by far more differences than similarities. The same goes for saying that an American black man is in the same group as an African; both men might have the same ethnicity, but the differences in culture and the implications of their different nationalities make them about as similar as an apple to a cucumber.

Race (for humans) is a concept that allows us to quickly distinguish between various people. At one time that was solely skin color. As we progressed we realized that skin color was not nearly enough to encompass all that a person is. As such, race is now a much more complicated topic. Here is the current US Census Bureau definition. However, I can guarantee you that in ten years it will be different.

From Wikipedia: The OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference."

As far as it being ridiculous to group an Irishman and a Romanian? It is entirely about your goal. If your goal was to separate based upon an umbrella color (i.e. white, black, red, orange, etc) then you are correct and have distinguished correctly. However, you could also say that their skin tones do not match exactly and that it is now an incorrect grouping. Hell, you can take two Irishmen and say they don't belong in the same grouping. You are entirely too hung up on this notion that there is a "correct" way to differentiate between people. There isn't. It is entirely about motives, goals, assumptions made, and whether it is ethically correct to do so.

[Japan]

^^^^^

The classic definition of race is arbitrary. Largely because of the colonial evil that has been done with the backing of that definition, the word "race" has fallen out of favor. "Race" isn't the preferred scientific term, as its definition is extremely loose. For example, "native american" is often called a race, but certain tribes experienced extreme genetic isolation and are not much more genetically comparable to the Apache than they are to us.

So people who say races don't exist aren't wrong, but they are only correct on a boring semantic technicality.

The idea of a unique evolutionary history for grouped populations is scientifically valid. Race would sure be a convenient term for differentiating between these populations, but it's been hijacked by ignorant rednecks and RL bloob reactionaries who are more concerned about arguing with retards than actually furthering human understanding. The word just has too much history to be useful, as long as we live among such shitheads.

tl;dr this whole thing is a semantic argument

[wehrmacht]

O god, here comes more liberal idiocy that there is no such thing as different races. Homo sapien sapiens have been around something like 50,000 years. We domesticated an animal called the dog from the wolf and the amount of time it took to create all those different breeds all with *EXTREMELY DIFFERENT* instinctual traits, personalities, aggressiveness, etc did not take very long at all. All that stuff is built into their genes so of course there are enormous differences in different human races.

There was Mitochondrial Eve in Africa (LO haplogroup) which spawned the L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6 groups.

L3 divided into Haplogroup M and N which left africa while the L's stayed.

N group is european whites.

M turned into asians, indians, mexicans, etc

And that's all there is too it.

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If you want to find the most primitive people on earth, you go back to the source of where it all began where the L groups still exist to this day. Science is a bitch and it's not supposed to be politically correct. It's offensive. Too bad liberals just stick their heads in the sand and pretend like it doesn't exist:


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Some nations live in skyscrapers, some live in mud huts. The reason for this isn't because all humans are equal. Natural selection doesn't create equality.


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Now lets end this with the destruction of another liberal myth. "Genes, Not Culture: Why the Japanese don't loot":

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/110318_japanese.htm

"“Diversity” is a source of conflict and tension, not strength, and the Japanese know it. Thanks to very restrictive immigration, Japan is one of the most homogeneous nations on earth. Its people know that the country belongs to all of them, and they treat it and each other that way"

Do I also need to remind you that we're 99% equal in genetics to this creature? You can be extremely closely related and still have inherent genetic traits that are extremely different.

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I can't wait for all the whining from San Francisco hairdressers that occurs due to this thread. I'm sure 0 of their complaints will be backed with facts either. And by the way, nothing in this post advocates hatred or murder or death or anything like that. All I did was list what the facts of human evolution are before some fool spams "racism".

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by bman8810 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Race (for humans) is a concept that allows us to quickly distinguish between various people. At one time that was solely skin color. As we progressed we realized that skin color was not nearly enough to encompass all that a person is. As such, race is now a much more complicated topic. Here is the current US Census Bureau definition. However, I can guarantee you that in ten years it will be different.

From Wikipedia: The OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the US Census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference."

As far as it being ridiculous to group an Irishman and a Romanian? It is entirely about your goal. If your goal was to separate based upon an umbrella color (i.e. white, black, red, orange, etc) then you are correct and have distinguished correctly. However, you could also say that their skin tones do not match exactly and that it is now an incorrect grouping. Hell, you can take two Irishmen and say they don't belong in the same grouping. You are entirely too hung up on this notion that there is a "correct" way to differentiate between people. There isn't. It is entirely about motives, goals, assumptions made, and whether it is ethically correct to do so.

Originally Posted by Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^^^

The classic definition of race is arbitrary. Largely because of the colonial evil that has been done with the backing of that definition, the word "race" has fallen out of favor. "Race" isn't the preferred scientific term, as its definition is extremely loose. For example, "native american" is often called a race, but certain tribes experienced extreme genetic isolation and are not much more genetically comparable to the Apache than they are to us.

So people who say races don't exist aren't wrong, but they are only correct on a boring semantic technicality.

The idea of a unique evolutionary history for grouped populations is scientifically valid. Race would sure be a convenient term for differentiating between these populations, but it's been hijacked by ignorant rednecks and RL bloob reactionaries who are more concerned about arguing with retards than actually furthering human understanding. The word just has too much history to be useful, as long as we live among such shitheads.

tl;dr this whole thing is a semantic argument

Nether one of you has defined what a race is, so I am going to assume that there is in fact no such thing.

Give me a one (two at most?) sentence clear cut definition of what a race is, and I might believe that you two aren't completely idiotic..

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.

Would you have made this thread? Would you call it racist if we grouped a bunch of Swedish people up and had them laugh at the end?

Or is it only racist when the people being shown in the clip are a different skin color? Would it only be racist if it was a bunch of Kenyans? Israelis? Pakistanis? Koreans? Mexicans?

I personally only think you're calling it racist simply because it's the "Chinese" and not some white-bread pan-european group, in a sense I kind of think you're racist on the fact that when you view a clip such as this you're aiming and gouging at every finite detail until you find something a tad-less politically correct.

Then again I don't see this as a "race" issue, I'm fairly certain those same neo-cons go to the $5.99 asian buffet and the only table talk happening involving the Chinese at this time would be "How kinky would it be to fuck an asian?" This is obviously not an issue with the color of their skin and dehumanizing people living in red China, this is obviously fear mongering on the basis of turning China into a cold-war era threat just like we did with the USSR

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u crazy hasbinbad!

Let's throw a hypothetical

Same commercial, same lecture, same points being stressed, and let's say the entire assembly was composed of Swedes because in this hypothetical Sweden is taking China's place.

I totally understand what you're trying to get at here, but that supposition ignores four (or more) very important realities about this country:

#1.) America has a large population who are already very intolerant of any asian group. This kind of thing just adds to that and makes it easier for people who are not in that population to join that population.

#2.) China is a communist country, which basically makes it analogous with the above, but for different reasons. There is a HUGE anti-communist sentiment with a large population in America, and again, this just adds fuel to the existant bonfire.

#3.) China is a top world power at this time, and they are only going to get more powerful very quickly with time. They are experiencing their population dividend right now. When was the last time you saw pictures of shanghai? This fact plays right in to the fear being mongered by this commercial and by right wing nutjobs talking about our evil Chinese overlords.

#4.) America doesn't owe Sweden it's collective weight of testicles and breasts in gold. The American debt to China is a very real threat to the security of a lot of people. More enlightened people see it as a very complicated and long-term business transaction, but it outright scares a lot of people.

There are probably more reasons why Sweden is a false analogy, but this should suffice. England would be a better choice, since they in fact do own much of this country, but there is not a strong undercurrent of hate for the English in this country, so it doesn't work either. You need to accept the fact that racism is a reality before you can understand why the implications of this kind of propaganda are harmful.

As for me being racist for recognizing this: lol.