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Old 10-11-2018, 02:32 PM
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:42 AM
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Depends on your setup, it's not so bad if your hotkeys are good.
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Old 10-11-2018, 02:30 PM
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I like cleric because you get to decide who lives and dies

Of all my 60s (ench, mage, druid, cleric) I'd rank enchanter as the most boring to raid on. All you really do is buff. Yea you can CC/slow/blur at times but for the most part you are just there for buffs
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:24 AM
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I like cleric because you get to decide who lives and dies

Of all my 60s (ench, mage, druid, cleric) I'd rank enchanter as the most boring to raid on. All you really do is buff. Yea you can CC/slow/blur at times but for the most part you are just there for buffs
People always say all you do is buff as an enc, but that hasn’t been my experience. I often bind sight targets/pullers, goalie, charm pretty much everywhere but VP and ToV. And if you want to do more, you can - get a shield of the immaculate to do disease cures, get involved with the pull team (DA earring FTW).

I honestly find chaining on a cleric to be way more boring and there’s way less opportunity to “make plays.” Encs have that opportunity, a lot of other classes don’t.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:41 AM
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This is all matter of opinions but I'll give my 2 copper...

Cleric

Everyone has different things they can do in different situations. Of those cleric is the most like limited.

Yes a cleric can CC rather well with roots and stun command. But so can all of the other priests and casters with root (sorry mage). And in a group situation once a camp is broken the cleric doing or even helping with CC is usually very minimal.

The better gear your melee and tank has the less work a cleric does. The gear levels on p99 are so much higher than what the game is balanced for at almost every level bracket that even at 58 I find my cleric just casting celestial or remedy to top someone off just to prevent me from reaching 100m (wasting Mana if not medding)

Solo wise cleric is just awful pretty much a waste of time. Basically in the high 50s it means spending an entire Mana bar to kill 1 con blue or light blue.

Gear upgrades. Aside from some clickies and resists mostly just means a bigger Mana pool. Barely relevant in group content and only relevant in a few raid bosses or if your doing a raid boss with a few less clerics in the chain. Overall not much to look forward too.

Group content. People want clerics for alot of normal camps and a few plat camps, sometimes to pair with enchanters. However on the high end alot of times a good torpor shaman can completely replace the need for a cleric.

Raid content. Hit CH macro sit and eat mod rods. A requirement for raids but that's about it

High end.. gearing up a cleric extends your length in a CH chain, doesn't do much for your group or solo play. Other classes can raid just fine and get much bigger benefits from raid gear in terms of their raid role, group role and solo play
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:10 PM
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I play a cleric as my main, and I enjoy it, but for sure, it's the most boring. I give cleric buffs, I heal. Now and then, I do some ghetto CC with Lull and Root, maybe an occasional chip in on DPS if kill speed is slow and I can spare the mana, but for the most part, I buff & heal.

Solo, even vs undead is like watching pant dry, since root/nuke is about all clerics can do solo.

Single group - while watching nothing but HP bars...I sit, I stand, I cast heal, I sit....

Figure on raids, it will be same, except, while watching HP, I also have to watch for the chat command that says my turn in CH chain is coming, then....I sit, I stand, I cast Complete Heal along with chat macro to alert next cleric in chain, eat some mod rods, then I sit...

Not to complain, because I chose this class on purpose for the specific reason of seeing the raid content I missed on the first go 'round back in 2000. But there isn't much to playing a cleric. They are necessary, no doubt, but yeah, they be boring.

On the opposite end, I'd go with bard as least boring, since the ebb and flow of what you're doing can and does change what you do to min/max your part in that. Just too much power and versatility to that class, which is why my highest alt is a bard. I'll get my cleric to 60 and then go all the way the other direction for a new t00n.

EDIT - to what Servant said, yeah, undergeared, weird group composition can make it chaotic, and I have a guild monk who says he "sells cleric sweat and tears by the bottle in EC" because when I type "/g 10m" he thinks that means "pull 6 mobs, please do not even attempt to split, DO IT NOW!" And he clowned me in tells asking me if I was having fun, etc. But even then, that is just stress based on my mana bar can cast X number of heals, and if X is exceeded, I know I am useless and people die. And it's really only stressful after 39 as pickup groups make me reset the point at which I cast CH to see if it will land. But once I have a bead on the tank's HP and how fast it moves based on what is being pulled/killed, even that bit of stress lasts like 3, maybe 4 pulls?
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Old 10-16-2018, 02:16 AM
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People always say all you do is buff as an enc, but that hasn’t been my experience. I often bind sight targets/pullers, goalie, charm pretty much everywhere but VP and ToV. And if you want to do more, you can - get a shield of the immaculate to do disease cures, get involved with the pull team (DA earring FTW).
You're my kind of chanter.
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Old 10-16-2018, 10:14 AM
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You're my kind of chanter.
I just don’t get why anyone would want to be bored. Enchanters are arguably the second most active class in the game from 1-60. Why would you want to be any less active at 60? Raids are usually easier than normal soloing, any high level camp farming, or anything else. Why would I want to sit on my ass and do nothing?
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:12 PM
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Back in the day every Cleric I knew, and I mean every single one, always complained about how boring it was to raid and how difficult it was to solo. Most of them were happiest in a single group XPing/AA-ing, but even then it was like a mass exodus of clerics every time there was anything else new to do (EQ2, WoW, DAoC, Conan, etc.).

By the time I quit EQ for the fifth and final time (though even now I am back playing it, in the Emu) most of the Clerics I knew were being run by multiboxers as healbots.
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Old 10-11-2018, 04:52 PM
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Note: Can't add this to my last post because I'm new here and in "posts must be reviewed" stage.

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Most boring class depends on playstyle/personality etc.
To me rogue and wizard are most fun. I wouldnt even consider making a say...enchanter
I knew a chanter in the early PoP days. He was busily charming guards in one of the early zones of the expansion, and frequently had troubles when the aggro'ed mob would suddenly get a lucky burst of deeps against his charmed mob, taking it out and then turning on him. I joined up with him and added my (Druid) snare and DoTs and we had a ball.

So what does this all mean? It's not about the class, it's about who you play with. If you're having fun, that's all that matters.

P.S.: I love my Druid. Not my 1st character ever, but my 1st over level 7. Kept playing her from beta until some time in VoA. Most everyone seems to rag on druids, but one thing they never are is boring. Especially when you just got the raid evacuate AA and bound it to some easy-to-accidentally-hit key just as everyone was setting up for a new PoP flag.
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