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[d3r14k]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kedge just scares people off cause they struggle with the vertical axis of the map and the constant need to consume Gillyweed

Can confirm this: I am terrified of Kedge. Been in there a couple times but I don't like to do it without a cleric on standby for rezzes.

1) The little fish that don't have names above their heads are difficult to target and always seem to give me a problem. They only hit for 1 - 5 damage but they love swarming and interrupting your spells.

2) The pathing in Kedge is weird.

3) Random see-invis mobs.

4) The vertical axis definitely throws me off. In theory it shouldn't be too hard, especially since there's a sweet 3D map on the Wiki of the zone.

In before someone tells me Kedge is easy and I'm a noob. A couple more visits will probably make me feel a lot better about it but I can 100% see why people don't like it.

[skarlorn]

The little fish are a clerics nightmare. They aggro when you sit. I used to crawl kedge and distinctly remember my cleric friend getting eaten alive because he didn't carry a melee weapon to deal with the pesky feesh

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does p99 obscure this? it was easily detectable in-era

not classic!

I thought in-era people used ShowEQ (which was used, but also banned classically)? If not I don't see how they could do it without some variant of what I just described (which admittedly with 7thGate's pixel idea wouldn't be quite as bad.)

[Valrok]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought in-era people used ShowEQ (which was used, but also banned classically)? If not I don't see how they could do it without some variant of what I just described (which admittedly with 7thGate's pixel idea wouldn't be quite as bad.)

ShowEQ was not banned as it wasn't able to be banned if used correctly. Packet sniffing across a network is not something an EQ client would have access to nor would the staff back then.

Now, if you are using the new stuff...well that is another story, I am pretty sure all that nonsense injects and is clearly detectable.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Valrok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ShowEQ was not banned as it wasn't able to be banned if used correctly. Packet sniffing across a network is not something an EQ client would have access to nor would the staff back then.

Now, if you are using the new stuff...well that is another story, I am pretty sure all that nonsense injects and is clearly detectable.

In theory (it may be illegal and/or unethical) they can most certainly detect if you are running ShowEQ.

They can certainly test you in-game (live in era or now) by watching how you play. Most folks who get caught using the program are caught because of unusual behavior as they impossibly track mobs and magically run across entire zones in a bee line for a random spawn they couldn't have known was there, etc.

Sometimes folks just stupidly talk using it by bragging in chat channels.

Using ShowEQ was against the rules and could result in disciplinary actions.

[Valrok]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In theory (it may be illegal and/or unethical) they can most certainly detect if you are running ShowEQ.

They can certainly test you in-game (live in era or now) by watching how you play. Most folks who get caught using the program are caught because of unusual behavior as they impossibly track mobs and magically run across entire zones in a bee line for a random spawn they couldn't have known was there, etc.

Sometimes folks just stupidly talk using it by bragging in chat channels.

Using ShowEQ was against the rules and could result in disciplinary actions.

Yep, didn't think of that

[Tuljin]

A little while ago I went to Kedge with a mid 50s duo enc-cle and killed mermaids. We were both very excited about the ZEM but after a while of playing we realized it was nerfed. I thought it was "just me" but I asked around and apparently there have been some grumblings about an old world ZEM nerf (something like this)

Kedge is a ton of fun to play but its an example of "not being worth it" due to having to schlep out there. I don't mind the danger and wonky mob pathing part of it at all, its just that it already takes an hour for ppl to get their shit together to get some grindage going without the long schlep. Now that the ZEM is nerfed its really "not worth it."

The best way to "collect data" is to just go kill mobs for a period of time and find out the ZEM for yourself. The precise calculation is difficult but what's -not- difficult (if youre not a nub) is going to the zone and killing mobs for a couple hours. My friend and I went and tried Kedge, had some fun and some laughs, but when we realized the rate was slower than other places we didnt go back.

If you are grinding thru your 50s you have plenty of time to visit pretty much every single high level zone if you want and figure out ZEMs. Its a similar concept in the leveling zones but again, its a matter of nubs being nubs and not being able to survive difficult content and a lot of mid-level zones not being difficult to get to.

At this point I've pretty much figured out where the crack XP is and if its a night where a zone is totally packed and I have to go somewhere else I have my next choice zones already figured out. I don't particularly want to share my non-scientifically gathered data but its become server gossip/knowledge that Kedge is nerfed.

I like the sentiment of many of the nerds who posted here - if you want to figure it out, just go play. You'll find out the ZEM of a zone in a solid two-hour grind sesh.

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by SiouxNation [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never understood the belief that kedge is some long haul out of the way dungeon. It’s literslly a 2-3 minute run from a Druid ring. A low level Druid ring at that.

Same here dude, there are many dungeons that fall into this category of "a pain in the ass to get to but actually not really" hahaha. Karnor's Castle is a longer run than many zones and shit XP yet people go there all the time without question. Hole is a very short run from Tox port yet people don't want to go (dangerous and difficult zone with better XP and better drops than KC) the list goes on man

[Bboboo]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hole is a very short run from Tox port yet people don't want to go (dangerous and difficult zone with better XP and better drops than KC) the list goes on man

The Hole dungeon crawls some of the most fun I've had on this server.