Question for the transgender people on this forum

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different.

A 2008 study compared 112 male-to-female transsexuals (both androphilic and gynephilic), mostly already undergoing hormone treatment, with 258 cisgender male controls. Male-to-female transsexuals were more likely than cisgender males to have a longer version of a receptor gene (longer repetitions of the gene) for the sex hormone androgen or testosterone, which reduced its effectiveness at binding testosterone.[3] The androgen receptor (NR3C4) is activated by the binding of testosterone or dihydrotestosterone, where it plays a critical role in the forming of primary and secondary male sex characteristics. The research suggests reduced androgen and androgen signaling contributes to the female gender identity of male-to-female transsexuals. The authors say that a decrease in testosterone levels in the brain during development might prevent complete masculinization of the brain in male-to-female transsexuals and thereby cause a more feminized brain and a female gender identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

There is also evidence for structural differences in the brains of transgendered people causing them to more closely resemble the sex they identify with than the one they were born as, as well as evidence that in vitro androgen exposure levels play a role.

The truth is there are no absolute divisions. There are distributions with varying degrees of overlap and rather than simply throw binary divisions out the window people would rather fight over where the line is. maybe that is important, i don't know and don't care.

We almost always gender people based on secondary sex characteristics and behavior so it baffles me why outside of romantic interest the average stranger would care what's in another's pants. It's not liek we all walk around in crotchless zentai.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

dang lor, I love ya pal but you're fallin into all the libtard tropes.

not wanting to talk about science out of fear of it supporting biggoted views by some stranger overhearing, drawing arbitrary lines between different social constructs to protect skin colors from eachother (aka give libcucks a right to shame someone for not fitting their mold).

Its all Antifa berkely nonthink libtardification that created these ideas my friend.

Be careful, dont dumb yourself down and take away your own right to free speech (or even worse, thought) because you're afraid some random redneck is going to think you talking about science somehow justifies his racist bull shit.

Rise above. Talk about the facts. Dont ignore them cus you're afraid of raycism.

that said, unless you are gay or straight or in between, everything you are doing is simply putting on makeup. Whether its lipstick for people who think girls look cool or tattered flannal shirts for those rustic folk that think manly men have the best style.

Put on whatever makeup you want, but don't go crying when someone calls you a whore for using too much rouge or a fat ass for looking like your average football male.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

I try to avoid referencing Wikipedia for any scientific facts. Although, I do not disagree. What does science tell us about transsexuality? Most of the stuff I've read has shown structural differences at the genetic/cellular level

Got a good lol from chatdwoke doe. Thanks, pal

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different. That's what forms the basis for sex and they don't change.

This whole thing gets really sick when you start hearing about kids that are being given hormone blockers when they're a small child.

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by hyejin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check

I agree with Hyejin that 8-year olds with hormones is absolutely unnecessary and doesn't pass the "gut check", but look, is this really worth worrying about compared to every other horrible thing that happens to children in America? For instance, every year like 15,000 children are brought in to America for sex slavery. That's not the number of child prostitutes currently in America, that's the number brought in and added to the countless existing child prostitutes.

In contrast there were what: two kids that were given transgender drugs by their parents at a young age last year? Twenty? Even if there were a thousand, it'd still be a drop in the bucket, and it'd still be a hell of a lot better than being prostituted. This makes me think that all this passion about 8-year olds with hormones has a lot less to do with caring about kids, and a lot more with wanting to enforce a particular world view.

Humans have a finite amount of energy to devote to caring about things, and for me giving hormones to a handful of 8-year-olds just doesn't rate compared to thousand and thousands of children suffering sexual abuse on a daily basis. Maybe all you trans-haters could save some of that outrage and empathy for the children who are actually suffering, and not just whatever offends your sensibilities at the moment?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by hyejin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the whale is gassed up n ready to roll.

*inflates tires on whale*

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do they have a biological basis for how they feel? Their chromosomes aren't some how different. That's what forms the basis for sex and they don't change.

This whole thing gets really sick when you start hearing about kids that are being given hormone blockers when they're a small child.

Those are separate issues. An adult deciding for himself is one thing, parents turning their child into a science project is quite another. Not really the same discussion

PS: read this thread and tell me Katrik has a mental illness and mickmoranis doesn't. You cant

[Grizzler]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Then again, apparently evidence of a biological basis actually causes bigots to be more bigoted, not less, so maybe I shouldn't have bothered with the above: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...sis-for-gender

This was definitely an interesting read, however it seems there is a lack in studies. They do mention a bunch of different studies but also go over the small sample sizes in some of these as well as the lack of consensus in the results among other researchers. Although it's also Wikipedia, so gotta definitely do a lot more looking into than one web search.

Definitely an interesting hypothesis and still need more scientific data to be proven. However, this still aims at a difference in brain chemistry, bringing people closer to gender dysphoria, a mental disorder. I'll need to do more research overall but this was a interesting read thus far and has certainly sparked more questions for me, so thanks for that loramin.

Also, just a side note, evidence doesn't prove it. There is still a lot more work to be done on the subject, obviously. So try not to call people bigots when they don't agree with you because that is the LITERAL DEFINITION of bigotry.

Originally Posted by hyejin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah the pitch falls apart with young'ns. I haven't figured out an apologia for it yet so I'm leaning toward "it's immoral", too. The practice hurts our brand & should be discouraged. On the other hand, ideal results do mean starting younger.

perhaps a secondary arbitrary age of consent for this. between 14 and 16? I can say I have observed firsthand that I was ready by this time. And I can't see 8 year olds on hormones ever passing the gut check.

As for adjusting your cartoon arbitrary assertion that a particular social role must correlate with something chemically predetermined, a large stick will do better than emotional tugging. Regardless of any principled debate what you just said will be rendered equivalent to use of "the n word" in short order. That'll handle everything but your clueless interior monologue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad we at least agree on the children part. That is primarily my main issue with it all. An adult can do whatever they want imo. Although I still can't imagine that 40yro man that is now "living as a 6yro girl" but to each their own.

People can be upset with my "clueless interior monologue" all they want, but unfortunately feelings don't constitute facts. I can feel like a Bear or a Dolphin all I want but that doesn't make me one. O Snap, maybe I'm an Otherkin! Unfortunately for some, the same thing goes for folks feeling like a different sex, race or what have you at least until proven differently.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are separate issues. An adult deciding for himself is one thing, parents turning their child into a science project is quite another. Not really the same discussion

Your right, an adult deciding for themselves is one thing, but when is someone an adult? When you become legal age? Even though your brain may not be fully developed yet? https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=141164708

We still have a lot of questions in these area's and I'm certainly no expert but folks need to take it down a notch from the name calling BS. This isn't RnF last I checked..

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS: read this thread and tell me Katrik has a mental illness and mickmoranis doesn't. You cant

Many people have a mental illness these days. Trying to pick and choose who from posts on the interwebz is just not worth the time.

[Pokesan]

tfw recycled meme opinions