Has anyone soloed Khelkar Icepaw in Velks?

[Tecmos Deception]

This is a good thread.

[Tingowingo]

Regardless of the haste buff that Khelkar could have, you'd still be facing a potential problem of him having Symbol (probably Naltron or even Marzin), an AC buff, and a combination of both. Still good to pull with dispel anyways since - if not Khelkar and you're going up against Emporer Chottal - there are mobs with massive DS shields which is way worse than just pulling with tash and eventually slowing after throwing the pet on it

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks Emmin. A gentleman and a scholar.

I deleted that post when I found my old test, and put a link in to the post of my screenshots.

so its 100% sure they get the effects of two rings? Could give two silver chitten bracers to test the bracer theory?

I have two, ill give that a go if someone doesnt beat me to it.

But this proves 2 rings, and potentially two bracers? Really good to know, I use -10mr rings like candy, ive had 10 on me at one time before.

I lose them like candy too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But not difficult to reup!

[EliteJackson]

Originally Posted by Emmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually just tested this in EC on myself, and you're right fadetree. Even though I can have both slow and haste on me at the same time, the slow supersedes the haste.

Here's me trying to punch a wisp without slow or haste. About 3 sec between swings:

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Same delay with SoS and Forlorn Deeds as with just Forlorn Deeds. So, yes. A slowed mob shouldn't need its haste removed (assuming the same rules apply to NPCs). I learned something new today!

I had no idea haste and slow stacked (or failed to stack) this way. Any idea if order of application matters? Or will a slow effect always trump a haste effect?

[Emmin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so its 100% sure they get the effects of two rings? Could give two silver chitten bracers to test the bracer theory?

I have two, ill give that a go if someone doesnt beat me to it.

But this proves 2 rings, and potentially two bracers? Really good to know, I use -10mr rings like candy, ive had 10 on me at one time before.

I lose them like candy too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But not difficult to reup!

I'm 100% sure that a decaying skeleton pet can equip 2 rings. Can't say for sure if it applies to all pets (for example, non humanoid pets).

[Emmin]

Originally Posted by EliteJackson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had no idea haste and slow stacked (or failed to stack) this way. Any idea if order of application matters? Or will a slow effect always trump a haste effect?

When I tried this, I had haste on first and slow second. I didn't try it the other way around, but can the next time I get a chance.

[Emmin]

Originally Posted by Emmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I tried this, I had haste on first and slow second. I didn't try it the other way around, but can the next time I get a chance.

I'm also wondering if this affects worn haste. If you're wearing a haste item and you get slowed, does it negate the effect of the worn haste?

[Canelek]

Originally Posted by Emmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm also wondering if this affects worn haste. If you're wearing a haste item and you get slowed, does it negate the effect of the worn haste?

Seems like it would be cumulative. Say 40% worn haste - 60% slow = -20% slowed

Interesting conversation. I like the potential! Like many, I just assumed that the wiki regarding pet items was accurate.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Canelek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like it would be cumulative. Say 40% worn haste - 60% slow = -20% slowed

Interesting conversation. I like the potential! Like many, I just assumed that the wiki regarding pet items was accurate.

yeah I would be under the idea that slowing would decrese overall speed, be that the mobs attack speed, or their current attack speed with whatever worn/castable haste they have on them currently.

I also wouldnt expect slow to overwrite a haste buff.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Emmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Same delay with SoS and Forlorn Deeds as with just Forlorn Deeds. So, yes. A slowed mob shouldn't need its haste removed (assuming the same rules apply to NPCs). I learned something new today!

Interesting, thanks for sharing. The issue with a mob like Khelkar would be if you need to re-apply slow and he resists enough that your first slow drops, you end up with fully hasted Khelkar beating the shit out of your pet while you try to land another slow.

I would do as Tingowingo suggested, start casting recant, right before it lands send fully Runed pet in, start casting Rapture while spamming back off, debuff, memblur.

A Golem Metal Wand would be a big help for the start, but if the goal is no clickies at all besides Wand of Allure, even clickies intended to be used by any class, obviously this wont apply.

Side note: Anyone ever give a pet an Incandescent Wand to try to help with stunning 55+ mobs? I know it has +5 MR and you risk pet breaking and stunning you so its kinda meh, but I've been wondering about using one in certain niche scenarios.