Quick question regarding necro race

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

[Priceline]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

[Priceline]

Another great example from that solo artists challenge is the top shaman NOT being an ogre or regen race. Which is probably the most debated thing on this forum outside of which Necro race.

[Baler]

But being super skilled and knowledgeable at the game is different than gaining an advantage in an RPG. So that solo artist challenge is kind of mute on most topics. Is it required to be a certain race to kill some crazy stuff.. well no,. but it does nothing but help in some way. Whether it's regen or frontal stun.

Regen is a big Advantage for necromancers. Choose to take that advantage or not. Just don't complain when ur level 50+ and you regret not picking iksar for a necro. I've spoken with a lot of non-iksar monks and necros. Nearly every one of them said they wish they'd gone iksar. Excluding the ones who are super raid twinked.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

I think you are splitting hairs. No one is on a soap box here. Someone asked if it's a worthwhile difference to choose iksar over the other races for a necromancer. It does. Is iksar a more efficient choice? Yes. Is "efficient" = better? Depends on what you are measuring I guess. But I think it's hard to argue that it is not desirable to be more efficient.

Does that mean an iksar can solo anything a non- iksar can't? Well no but the iksar will be more efficient at it. Does that matter enough to steer your hand when picking race? That's up to individual preference

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion.

So...your argument is based on not believing that more efficient is objectively better than less efficient?

I mean that's fine and all, but you probably shouldn't try to convince people that it doesn't make a difference when it very much does.

[Teppler]

Don't forget the existence of HP drain clickies for necros as well.

I always used to argue regen didn't matter as much as people made it out.

[Vexenu]

Iksars should never have been allowed to be Necros. Regen is too powerful. Makes the other Necro races obsolete for the most part.

Although interestingly there is one exception: if you were making a Necro on a Kunark-era PvP server, you'd be better off with an Erudite. Iksar low INT is a huge liability when you're forced to wear resist gear, and regen isn't a factor in most PvP fights because they tend to be decided quickly one way or the other. Better to have significantly more mana to lifetap/nuke with rather than regen in that case.

See the Erudite with 500+ more mana wearing nearly-identical gear:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Erudmancer

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Iksarmancer

[Doctor Jeff]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

regen isn't a factor in most PvP fights because they tend to be decided quickly one way or the other.

You clearly have never pvp'd with any form of skill.

[Pezy]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly have never pvp'd with any form of skill.

Everquest has PVP?