Rant: Elder Holgresh Beads are a bad item

[Phenyo]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/RANT on

Ok, so this items price really grinds my gears and triggers me into rage. Why in the name of sweet clean baby Quellious would anyone pay 140k for Elder Holgresh Beads? This is EC fat cat manipulation at its finest/worst. This is - at best - a 50k item. I get that they don't drop anymore. I had 2 pair of these retarded beads on my Monk and Necromancer and I have found ONE use for them. ONE USE IN ALL OF EQ besides some stupid SUPER niche situation that will happen to someone maybe a handful of times in their ENTIRE EQ EXPERIENCE.(more on this later, but SPOILER, It's pulling HoT)

So Singing Steel Helm has the exact same effect as the beads and sell for 2k. "But Spyder - Bards can't Feign Death and the eye is a powerful tool when coupled with FD".
Is it? Is it really? more on this later

Stalking probes cost 2pp - You can literally buy a rechargeable item that has the exact same effect as beads for 2pp. Bag space? Convenience? Set 5k aside and you have stalking probes for the next 10 years. Am I the only one who thinks this sh!t is crazy?

This item has 0 value to anyone but monks - Don't give me any sh!t about Necromancers needing this.

1) Necros can not use this with a pet or charm up

2) Necro FD is trash compared to monk and Necros pull....never?

3) Necro skeleton pet is essentially THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE F#CKING EYE FOR PULLING IF YOU ARE RETARDED ENOUGH TO PULL ON A NECRO

4) Raid wipes are not a viable options to cast the eye and tap off of. Just get a shaman regen or HEY WAIT - SPEND THE 140K ON Z HEART THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL. Raid wipe. RAID WIPE!!! RAID WIPE??? 70+ PEOPLE. YOU DONT NEED TO TAP THE F#CKING EYE YOU HAVE 70 FRIENDS WITH YOU.

5) The eye takes FOREVER to cast and last minimal up time.

6) Do not tell me you hammer off the eye - no one hammers off the eye - if you are hammering off the eye you are full retard. "But Im stuck in the middle of some zone because I DC'd or some other weird and unlikely bull sh!t happened". USE YOUR GD WC CAP THEN YOU POS.

The ONLY viable reason for the Holgresh Beads not to be destroyed upon being looted is if you are a monk who pulls HoT. Halls of Testing is the ONLY ZONE IN THE ENTIRE GAME where you need the beads to pull/break spawns. So basically every guild that does HoT needs 1 pair of beads to help start breaking the spawn and then you don't even need the god d@mn things anymore. A VERY fringe camp where I can see them being useful is Chef in Sebelis. VERY FRINGE

I have a 60 monk and a 58 necromancer that I have used this item with. These beads are the biggest pain in the ass to use and provide minimal to NO value. WHY CAN NO ONE SEE THEY ARE BEING TRICKED. OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE THE EC FAT CATS STEAL ALL YOU PLAT.

If your only comeback is "they don't drop anymore so they need to be worth a lot of money" then I say to you sir GOOD DAY

/RANT off

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[aaezil]

lol gotta love posts by uniformed noobs

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol gotta love posts by uniformed noobs

Hit me with some knowledge then sh!t bum - why is this item worthy of 100k - 140k price tag

Lots of salad and not much meat in this thread

[Izmael]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hit me with some knowledge then sh!t bum - why is this item worthy of 100k - 140k price tag

Because of the supply / demand.

Also people use them to proc avatar all the time.

If you are happy with stalking probes - by all means, use the probes.

[azeth]

op is mad loser who doesnt have a bead per alt

[Cecily]

You're trying to troll people into giving you pro-strats. Please stop teaching or otherwise giving these DPS monks advice so we can laugh at them forever. Thanks.

[Jimjam]

Very fringe example, but eyes are helpful for pulling the spectral knights area in KC to the hands camp. Saves a lot of running around, and adds 5 more level 50 mobs that can be easily pulled without need for a key or similar shenanigans.

I've also regularly found myself hammering off eyes on my wizard (not beads though).

I don't play a good monk or necro though, so I have no idea how to get even 5k of value out of these things.

Whats the efficiency of reclaim energy? This thread has made me want to get my baby magician a clay bracelet so I can weave eye of zomm with reclaim energy for infinite mana. Why would a magician want to use a real pet anyway? :P

[Triiz]

The EC manipulation is funny to watch. At least with beads, pendants, etc are limited to a set number with no possibility of future supply, unlike 99% of other items in this game that should only go down in price, but somehow get manipulated up.

A recent example, although it's a lot cheaper item, is Spider Fur belt. It was a ~1k item for months, now suddenly it's 3-4k. Did the demand suddenly skyrocket? Nope. Did the drop rate get nerfed? Nope. It was just some guy spamming "WTS spider fur belt 3k" everyday until other people followed suit, then the same guy started with "WTS spider fur belt 5k" auctions.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Triiz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The EC manipulation is funny to watch. At least with beads, pendants, etc are limited to a set number with no possibility of future supply, unlike 99% of other items in this game that should only go down in price, but somehow get manipulated up.

A recent example, although it's a lot cheaper item, is Spider Fur belt. It was a ~1k item for months, now suddenly it's 3-4k. Did the demand suddenly skyrocket? Nope. Did the drop rate get nerfed? Nope. It was just some guy spamming "WTS spider fur belt 3k" everyday until other people followed suit, then the same guy started with "WTS spider fur belt 5k" auctions.

The flaw with your logic is there is constantly more and more plat being pumped into players every minute the server is up. People never lose plat over time unless they constantly make very very bad trade deals. The average amount of plat or items worth plat any player has always only goes up. So people can get away with charging more.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The flaw with your logic is there is constantly more and more plat being pumped into players every minute the server is up. People never lose plat over time unless they constantly make very very bad trade deals. The average amount of plat or items worth plat any player has always only goes up. So people can get away with charging more.

So spider fur belt was worth 200-300% more over a period of a couple weeks because there is always plat being generated? If that's the case, then shimmering terror hide cloak which drops in same zone/area should have also seen a large increase, it didn't.

When P99auctions opened, the price of a lot of items started dropping quickly. As soon as the tunnel fat cats hacked it into shutting down, prices on all of those items began to rise again. I doubt that's coincidence, and I would guess that's the same reason why they already attempted to shut down p99tunnel.com

The flaw in my logic was trying to apply logic to an elf pixel market that's mostly arbitrary and thrives on a lack of information available to the buyers.