Ogre still best sk?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those are pretty important situations, though. You can't just gloss over them. It's literally going to save your life when it happens.

When's that going to happen? I've been on my human Shadow Knight for 6 years and I can't recollect even a single case where I died but having bash immunity might have saved me. Not even once. I can recall a single, possible (not certain) time where having a couple hundred HP from an Ogre's higher stats might have saved me....although it also might've meant I just would've died 10 seconds later instead. Bash immunity seems great on forum theorycraft but in practice I can't see that it really matters except for people who get annoyed at being bashed now and then.

People overthink the importance of race in this game. Ogre gives a small advantage. Iksar and Troll give a modest advantage. None of them are worth picking if you dislike the way they look because liking your character is the most important attribute.

Danth

[Razaz]

The question is if you can stand looking at an ogre or not.

[tycohunden]

Trolls = Chad. Ogre = Fat loser beta orbiter, able to take stuns, because used to societal rejection, semi retarded. Iksars = Tards, Dark Elves = Poindexter. Erudite = Tard wranglers.

[Jimjam]

Danth, I think this might be a skill issue.

I recently resumed playing my troll SK (my original toon I abandoned at level 30). Assume very low levels of skill/knowledge!

Pulling the raider/warrior rooms in hhk I had a few instances where I struggled juggling several potential bashes and casts when attempting FD. That said, while I had difficulties and even a few broken FDs, I don't think I ever actually DIED due to a mistimed frontal stun. Hell, I was even pulling CoM arena at 35 and never died due to stun. Still early days though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


Actually, somewhat relatedly to thread, I did once get trapped in a corner due to my large troll gut, which meant I died to a bunch of bashes to the rear by goo house. If I had been a smaller race, I certainly would have been fine.

[aaezil]

iksar or troll if you want "the best race(s). Regen op.

[Cecily]

Why is frontal stun immunity even considered as a SK? They have like 2 spells and none of them are -that- critical to get not get interrupted. And actually if you're getting interrupted, that means you have agro. Which makes casting spells for agro a bit redundant and even less critical to be cast right then and there.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is frontal stun immunity even considered as a SK?

As far as I can tell the argument literally seems to be that FSI can stop FD (or fear, or one last lifetap I guess?) from being interrupted by one last bash when you are already so close to death that you can't survive another few seconds to try again.

Which I guess is a real thing, but seems pretty small compared to a benefit that is working literally 100% of the time that you're not at full hp, to me.

[Troxx]

From a healers perspective I'll just reiterate that the difference in required healing between an iksar/troll tanking (be it monk/war/sk) and any other race tanking is VERY noticeable. This isn't to say other races don't work - far from it. My shaman's partner in crime is a 60 human monk and he gets by just fine. I even chose to make my own monk human.

I can't think of a time where I said "gee I wish this tank were an ogre". I can think of lots of times I would have had a much easier time had my tank that boost to regen. From 51-55 the 4 difference means 2400 less to heal an hour (~1k less mana). At 56 it's 7 and 60 it's 8 (4200 and 4800). If there's any sitting ticks it's a 7/10/11 a tick difference.

While flopped (big deal for monk/sk) it's a 5/8/9 difference.

Ogre is not the best. They are never a bad choice (far from it) but this community's love affair with FSI is a bit ludicrous.

[Troxx]

Which happens practically never.

I've known Danth a long time - and he's been kicking a sk without FSI for a long time. If it's never been an issue for him it can't be a common occurrence. They also say it's a BIG deal for shamans but in 60 levels it (stun from the front) was never a deal once for me.

[demokatt]

If I still choose human, iksar or DE.. what would u put them starting points in? all in STA och perhaps STR/STA?