Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Dev stream

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Currently, the scam is as follows:

(1)Charge for forum access (Like a game subscription)
(2) Offer Pre - Alpha testing to larger donations
(3) Offer Alpha testing to mid level donations
(4) Offer Beta testing to low level donations
(5) Seek out venture capital

This is the biggest scam/money sink that any commercial game has ever taken. Offering those services before the game is even in pre alpha is halarious. People shelling out a subscription long before the game is near release. Estimation on release is 2018 - 2019

After the debacle with Brad stealing Kick Starter funds, I think it's safe to say this game will go down in history regardless if it see's release.

wow yeah thats a lot of paid access. i mean 3 different iterations of paid access is rather suspicious. and then u see people on the forums gassing it up. A lack of investors speaks volumes i remember he was trying to get some kid to spring his trust fund on the game lmao.

brad said the kids trust manager blocked it and that brad was sad about not being able to scam him wrote a whole blog update on it back when pantheon was in its first scam phase.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Currently, the scam is as follows:

(1)Charge for forum access (Like a game subscription)
(2) Offer Pre - Alpha testing to larger donations
(3) Offer Alpha testing to mid level donations
(4) Offer Beta testing to low level donations
(5) Seek out venture capital

This is the biggest scam/money sink that any commercial game has ever taken. Offering those services before the game is even in pre alpha is halarious. People shelling out a subscription long before the game is near release. Estimation on release is 2018 - 2019

After the debacle with Brad stealing Kick Starter funds, I think it's safe to say this game will go down in history regardless if it see's release.

I heard somewhere that they said they are actually looking to release late 2017... cant seem to find anything to confirm it though.

Its also not the first time that a game sold pre-release packages and was never released. In fact i think if you purchase a pre-release on steam they warn you about it being a possibility.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More concerning... The same guy who handled the "fraud (unfinished game of Pantheon) during the acquisition of vanguard to sony.... Is in fact the CEO of Pantheon... sounds to be there a profitable business here regardless if the game gets made...

Ohh wow yeah I had no clue about this Chris Rowan fella. He's been around. Seems like one of the "good ol' boys".

I mean why can't Chris Rowan raise even a little bit of VC money? He seems to have a solid resume and networking contacts. The game must be complete shithouse.

[mickmoranis]

yea making everquest games is an INSANELY profitable money scam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea making everquest games is an INSANELY profitable money scam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean why can't Chris Rowan raise even a little bit of VC money? He seems to have a solid resume and networking contacts.

You are relying on stealing some kids trust fund and personal communication with a kid with a trust fund to fund the game.

That seems wrong to me. To personally try to raise VC directly in an interpersonal setting with direct communication. I imagine its something Jim Jones did to create Jonestown.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are relying on stealing some kids trust fund and personal communication with a kid with a trust fund to fund the game.

That seems wrong to me. To personally try to raise VC directly in an interpersonal setting with direct communication. I imagine its something Jim Jones did to create Jonestown.

idk if you think kids are backing these projects, you also might not be right about that haha

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

idk if you think kids are backing these projects, you also might not be right about that haha

smilin hard pal, anyone who tries to get his trust fund manager to fund a video game and gets shot down is indeed a kid

I just find it inappropriate to target individuals for "venture capital". Its predatory behavior and I don't think its professional. brad was directly communicating with him at the time ala Jim Jones.. You seem to have no problem with it tho.

this kid would have broken the bank and been homeless just to pay the electric bill on the mansion, put gas in the motorcycle and the Ferrari

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

smilin hard pal, anyone who tries to get his trust fund manager to fund a video game and gets shot down is indeed a kid

I just find it inappropriate to target individuals for "venture capital". Its predatory behavior and I don't think its professional. brad was directly communicating with him at the time ala Jim Jones.. You seem to have no problem with it tho.

this kid would have broken the bank and been homeless just to pay the electric bill on the mansion, put gas in the motorcycle and the Ferrari

idk I am a huge fan of it. But if you think its preditory then eya sure, some of it is but what some of anything isnt?

but i prefer that it exists than if it didnt... Id rather indi artists and tech developers get to fuck with their shit without the man telling them what to do and getting all their proffits. If that means a couple morans are going to send their 20$ to some crook that says theyre going to build a better selfie stick so be it.

[Nuggie]

I will bite.

Yes, the game could flop. Yes, all those people who donated money to the project could see no return from it (other than the entertainment they have already received, if you haven't been there the you don't know). Those are the chances you take with any start up.

No, Brad can't mismanage this project like previous projects. Brad is the CCO, not the CEO. This time around Pantheon has several people to manage the business side of it. http://visionaryrealms.com/company/team/ Brad realized his own shortcomings the last time and has taken steps to fix those errors this time. That is progress. That is something to congratulate him on.

Yes, Brad's previous mistakes are costing Visionary Realms to have funding issues. It is a mountain they, and he personally, have decided is worth attempting to overcome. And a hell of a mountain it's turned in to.

Anecdotally, the trust fund kid approached Brad, not the other way around. It seems more plausible. But yes, Brad screwed up spending the donated money's they had on hand before the money from the trust fund *kid* came in. Clearly it set the project back quite a ways when the first team left. But they, and mostly he, have picked themselves up, dusted off their clothes, and kept going. And made a hell of a lot of progress since.

I don't think there is anyone left to buy a project like this, and given how the 38studios debacle went down I don't think anyone would if there was. How do you build on a game without any of the team that started it? Sounds like a rough ride for new devs going through the code of the old devs.

For me, the money I donated doesn't mean shit to me. My wife would have been happy to spend it on shoes or a purse or something if I hadn't spent it on something equally as meaningless.

To each their own, I guess. You're either going to enjoy this game if/when it comes out or you're not.

[mickmoranis]

Investing in crowd funded projects via a website seems like a bad Idea... but donating? idk seems fine.

100% of everything I have ever kickstarted I considered a donation to someone that I either knew of or was impressed by enough for me to think that a donation was worth it for them to keep going.

Then like randomly i get emails to download some wierd game i forgot about.

Works for me idk

Like take Brad for example, I could throw that dude 100 bucks and it would still be like me spending 1/100000000000000000 of a penny for each minute of the content he has given me.