Shaman or enchanter

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snare neck is overrated and JBB only has a small window of usefulness. Don't let those affect your decision.

That iksar ac bonus is overrated.

As a very wise poster on these here forums always used to say, if you can pick ogre, you always should pick ogre.

Ogre FSI allows you to get your spells off when you are face tanking hard hitting mobs, while other shamans would likely fail.

Basically ogres are supreme in combat, while trolls and iksar regen bonus give them an edge out of combat in between fights when using canni for mana regen.

This guy can minimalise the usefulness of the JBB and other clickies useable by all shaman races except iksar, but options are always nice and having the opportunity to use them is better than not having them.

Large races also get slam, which can prove to be useful when you need to interrupt a casting mob too.

There's only one reason to pick an iksar over a troll if you value health regen over ogre FSI and that's if you prefer them aesthetically or enjoy their lore, etc.

The fact of the matter is gamewise, iksar simply are inferior to both trolls and ogres if you are min/maxing for performance and for total options available in the game while playing the shaman class.

Oh, iksar also enjoy swinging weapons like gimps, they truly have by far the worst combat animations in the game.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy can minimalise the usefulness of the JBB and other clickies useable by all shaman races except iksar, but options are always nice and having the opportunity to use them is better than not having them.

I still dust off the JB clickies for noobs asking for stats after I tali/haste them

Also great crapbuffs before you toss a tali/torp on dogdog when you want him to eat some HTs.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a very wise poster on these here forums always used to say, if you can pick ogre, you always should pick ogre.

"Used to" being the optimal words here. Things have changed since Kunark was released.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre FSI allows you to get your spells off when you are face tanking hard hitting mobs, while other shamans would likely fail.

FYI: This is not what FSI does, and you can still get interrupted by mobs from the front. You can also still get bashed by mobs from the side or from the back.

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FYI: This is not what FSI does, and you can still get interrupted by mobs from the front. You can also still get bashed by mobs from the side or from the back.

The difference is you aren't guaranteed to drop the cast when bashed as an ogre.

Any other race, when sucessfully bashed, stops their cast as if they ducked it. They don't even get to the channeling check. Ogres get to at least attempt the channeling check. And against slowed mobs, channeling isn't really a problem, getting bashed and instantly dropping that reslow-v-resist or 6sec torp cast or 9sec epic click is.

If you're tanking with your flank or ass...that's a different problem, no race selection is going to change that.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is you aren't guaranteed to drop the cast when bashed as an ogre.

Any other race, when sucessfully bashed, stops their cast as if they ducked it. They don't even get to the channeling check. Ogres get to at least attempt the channeling check. And against slowed mobs, channeling isn't really a problem, getting bashed and instantly dropping that reslow-v-resist or 6sec torp cast or 9sec epic click is.

If you're tanking with your flank or ass...that's a different problem, no race selection is going to change that.

He knows what I meant when I described how ogres can get their spells off versus non-ogres.

He has an iksar fetish and just argues for the sake of arguing no matter how many valid and true points people make explaining why ultimately ogres are the master race for shaman with trolls near them at the top.

The fact velious is out doesn't diminish the usefulness of the jaundiced armor clickies, he knows this too.

He mentions how ogres get stunned from the side and back, and I can't think of a time I have ever tried landing a spell on mobs with my backside facing them when on my ogre shaman. Really just a silly response to try to diminish how powerful FSI really is.

Anyway, either class shaman or enchanter is a good choice.

I think enchanters are equal if not more powerful than shamans, and the best part is they won't require the financial investment the shaman will in the end regarding epic and spells.

That being said, if you are min/maxing and pick shaman, go with the ogre you won't regret it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sinadin]

the Ench Lull spell line is big...in my opinion the best asset an Enchanter has (besides the obvious of course)

[Hitmonkey]

Not to be negative but see a lot of scrub shamans giving opinions that were probably better off in post velious in this thread.

If you want to go balls deep on a tightly packed area for that named and cruise from 1-50's while having fun you pick TROLL

Troll regen- torpor you say? Your not getting that till almost the end of your grinding, in the mean time troll shamans are passing you from day 1 because downtime..

Troll slam - getting burned down by a casting mob? can joust slam/interrupt casting rooted mobs (ogres get this too of coarse) and used this from 1-60 along with the fact you can do the rogue BS trick with slam.

Troll inny snare necklace- makes things highly risky/impossible for other shamans a done deal for troll root didn't stick and getting your face peeled? Add? Shoulder to shoulder with mobs like today and I can't afford a runner? Along with the fact people don't think about how much time & mana troll shamans saved on the zillions of mobs that turned and were beat down instead of rooted and fighting. There was a reason shamans were never giving a snare.

Post vel when mobs really started getting stuns, sure ogre is better but it still doesn't stop spell stuns which are the longest and you're getting torpor quicker with a troll because your leveling faster and in stops other guys can't do. Just my 2 cents.

[Amyas]

Shaman SoW, Heals, Slow, root, good dots, haste, amazing buffs.

Enc crack, CC, haste.

[justin84]

Due to the jerk face internet guy not coming yesterday, I'm still without the entergy(as my 4 year old calls it). I have decided to go dark elf enchanter and troll shaman. I think the shaman will be better to start with since I will get sow at 9 and have the higher str for carrying all of my fat loot. If it wasn't my first character I would go ogre but the extra regen should help me out. I prefer the troll over the iksar for the str/star and prefer evil (troll/dark elf/ogre) rather than hated (iksar).
I really wanted to go enchanter first but doing without sow and the str to carry loot and not being able to heal just doesn't seem worth it as a first character here.
Though I am not on the character select screen yet either. So who knows how that will go.

Edit: also, what does a jbb and fungi go for on the server ? Didn't know if they were obtainable by 50. Thanks.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by justin84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Due to the jerk face internet guy not coming yesterday, I'm still without the entergy(as my 4 year old calls it). I have decided to go dark elf enchanter and troll shaman. I think the shaman will be better to start with since I will get sow at 9 and have the higher str for carrying all of my fat loot. If it wasn't my first character I would go ogre but the extra regen should help me out. I prefer the troll over the iksar for the str/star and prefer evil (troll/dark elf/ogre) rather than hated (iksar).
I really wanted to go enchanter first but doing without sow and the str to carry loot and not being able to heal just doesn't seem worth it as a first character here.
Though I am not on the character select screen yet either. So who knows how that will go.

Edit: also, what does a jbb and fungi go for on the server ? Didn't know if they were obtainable by 50. Thanks.

You realize the regen doesn't really become significant till 51+ right? But troll is fine race. Anything other than iksar tbh.

FSI > regen though.