<Auld Lang Syne> wants to raid?

[Tenet]

Hey guys, thank you for all the information, this thread is pure gold!

We will continue along the line of your suggestions, and we will see how it goes. Luckily this is not such an urgent things for us, we still have time to organize because:

1 - We are simply not there yet. Although some of us are approaching the level barrier, we can't provide a raid group to take any of these raid targets down on our own. As we never had (and never will have) any pressure on our members to level, it will take us several weeks to get there, if we get there at all.

2 - We really don't want to stir the pot, our guild's main focus was never raiding, and although we would love to raid, we are aware that other guilds are focusing solely on this activity and we respect their playstyle and their struggle for raid targets. If we never get to kill these dragons, that is also cool.

You guys were really helpful all around. Big thank you to all!

Scaleway - Auld Lang Syne

[Jimjam]

There has been a number of occasions on this server where all the stars have aligned and desirable mobs have been left up to facilitate public raids in the past.

There was a Vox open raid, also a Plane of Hate raid which had a Maestro left up for them. There are more examples, but these are the two that jump to mind. My advice is search through the old threads to find the details of these events and contact the organiser.

Perhaps they can get advice on how they managed to negotiate these particular mobs being left uncontested.

Best of luck ALS.

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was a Vox open raid, also a Plane of Hate raid which had a Maestro left up for them. There are more examples, but these are the two that jump to mind. My advice is search through the old threads to find the details of these events and contact the organiser.

Both of these were hosted by Omni.

And Lhance, never underestimate the generosity of the p99 community. What ALS is asking here is definitely possible if they reach out to the right people.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of these were hosted by Omni.

And Lhance, never underestimate the generosity of the p99 community. What ALS is asking here is definitely possible if they reach out to the right people.

I don't underestimate anything. I am just realistic and know how it is here, like you do. There's plenty of helpful individuals but typically the ones most helpful are not running the raid guilds.

We will see. When the time comes and they need certain raid mobs, let's see if CGS concedes and let's them raid the mid level raid mobs. Awakened already made it crystal clear they are fine with it.

I think the biggest problem will be with the mid tier guilds, the "casual raid" guilds tbh. Don't let their benign sounding advertisements of being "casual" fool you.

[Naethyn]

The top tier guilds are actually super supportive of good reasons to see challenges like this take place. From a competitive viewpoint it would be very interesting to see a guild of non twink / economy guys to take a challenge like this on. What the top end doesn't look well on is giving things away for "free" to casuals who think they deserve it because they exist here. This is quite the opposite, and something I'd see easily gaining huge support. It's the guys who see this, and wonder why they don't get the same opportunity, by completely missing the challenge that is taking place. It is that crew who will want the same benefit and run the risk of it not happening. (aka. not the top end but the guys who want free pixels)

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the top end doesn't look well on is giving things away for "free" to casuals who think they deserve it because they exist here.

Exactly this. The top guilds are where they are because they contested mobs. They put the time in and get the reward. The top guilds don't have a sense of entitlement, most of their kills are highly contested, they have to work for it.

A great example of this is an up and coming guild called Infernus. One or two VS's ago they knew he was in window and did all the necessary steps to secure the kill. Their goal for that day to was to kill VS. They tracked it, parked the right classes there, got on when it popped and killed it while it was being contested by a top guild. It was late at night when he popped but they were dedicated to killing it themselves, and they did. Rome wasn't built in a day, set goals and achieve them.

It's good to see more than just the top 2 guilds actually contesting mobs, make things way more interesting. Minus a few really tough high end mobs there's always opportunity for any guild to kill practically any high end mob if they simply just make specific targets their goal. I see lots of these "casual raid guilds" attempt to go after every single high end mob at the same time as if they were A/A. Track a small number at a time, start small, learn the strats and park toons. That's the name of the game until the staff want to change any of the rules. But I assure you that whatever rules are in place, it will always take some time, dedication, and focus to kill contested (high end) mobs.

[gnatte]

Originally Posted by Sancta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly this. The top guilds are where they are because they contested mobs. They put the time in and get the reward. The top guilds don't have a sense of entitlement, most of their kills are highly contested, they have to work for it.

A great example of this is an up and coming guild called Infernus. One or two VS's ago they knew he was in window and did all the necessary steps to secure the kill. Their goal for that day to was to kill VS. They tracked it, parked the right classes there, got on when it popped and killed it while it was being contested by a top guild. It was late at night when he popped but they were dedicated to killing it themselves, and they did. Rome wasn't built in a day, set goals and achieve them.

It's good to see more than just the top 2 guilds actually contesting mobs, make things way more interesting. Minus a few really tough high end mobs there's always opportunity for any guild to kill practically any high end mob if they simply just make specific targets their goal. I see lots of these "casual raid guilds" attempt to go after every single high end mob at the same time as if they were A/A. Track a small number at a time, start small, learn the strats and park toons. That's the name of the game until the staff want to change any of the rules. But I assure you that whatever rules are in place, it will always take some time, dedication, and focus to kill contested (high end) mobs.

BOOOM

[Baa]

At <Infernus> we are only just getting to have the level of required alts to actively compete for Vox and Naggy.

We often have people attend raids as guest, and while this isn't official I think we certainly wouldn't mind having the occasional guest along to experience some of this content.

The difficulty is always going to be timings due to us playing offpeak.

[bktroost]

I think supporting some attempts at naggy and vox are something we'd be interested in discussing.

[fadetree]

oh brother, reductio ad absurdum. Gee, you've got me there. I suggest you go volunteer to ride herd on all the squabbles and arguments for free. That'll show me.