not cool, nilbog!

[Abysis]

classes with exp penalty's are for people that want the game to be hard...like people who play rangers. ( lol track bots )

but hybrids are neat.

All you really need is mages, clerics and maybe a few monks and a enchie.

bards are cool too for mana song the clerics and mages.

but enough of my criticisms

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess what?

Pickpocketing isn't classic in its form.
Pets don't melee faster with low-delay weapons.
Dot stacking

Etc.

Classic argument has failed. Stop using it.

This is "quasi classic" and the sooner people accept it for that, the better. Cherry picking classic mechanics and ignoring others arbitrarily makes it so. You can't use the "but it's classic" statement, at all. It isn't universal.

I obviously still play here, and enjoy it a great deal, but let it fucking die with the "it's classic" bullshit.

I think you entirely misunderstand the "its classic" line of thinking i'm describing. Let me interpret for you, since you seem to be taking what I say hyper-literally.

"It's classic" or "Its a part of the classic experience" means "as classic as possible within any inherent limitations, including but not limited to developer staff manhours, priority shifts, implementation problems, lack of knowledge, or other reasons."

Basically, I'm saying that wherever something is "inconsistent," there's a reasonable or pragmatic reason it's not that way - even if that reason is purely because the devs don't want to bother fixing the inconsistency or simply don't care enough to fix it (and for very minor or unimportant issues - I sympathize).

But the "it's classic" line of thinking isn't completely invalid just because in some cases things do not work exactly classicly - and could be implemented, but aren't. The Classic experience *still is* the guideline for nearly everything on the server, and although I don't have specific links or explanations for the ones you've provided - every "inconsistency" i've read has been thoroughly explained by Nilbog at least once. Because every single time an inconsistency arises, it is explained rationally and sufficiently, I generally assume there is a specific reason it has been left "unclassic." Even if that reason isn't a specific implementation or knowledge problem. Just because I don't know the specific explanation does not then relegate the "the reason things are X is because of an attempt to mirror the classic experience" line of thinking to being invalid.

Would it make you feel more fuzzy and warm if I changed my words to say "It follows the general parameters of the classic experience, within a limited set of parameters" every time I want to say "it's classic" or "part of the classic experience?" Is that exact enough for you? Because the reason the exp penalty still exists really is because it mirrors the classic experience. That's a fact. Nilbog could remove it, but he specifically said he left it there because it was "part of the classic experience."


Now that i've spent all of that time to explain it - can you see why people consider what you're doing nitpicking?

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you entirely misunderstand the "its classic" line of thinking i'm describing. Let me interpret for you, since you seem to be taking what I say hyper-literally.

"It's classic" or "Its a part of the classic experience" means "as classic as possible within any inherent limitations, including but not limited to developer staff manhours, priority shifts, implementation problems, lack of knowledge, or other reasons."

Basically, I'm saying that wherever something is "inconsistent," there's a reasonable or pragmatic reason it's not that way - even if that reason is purely because the devs don't want to bother fixing the inconsistency or simply don't care enough to fix it (and for very minor or unimportant issues - I sympathize).

But the "it's classic" line of thinking isn't completely invalid just because in some cases things do not work exactly classicly - and could be implemented, but aren't. The Classic experience *still is* the guideline for nearly everything on the server, and although I don't have specific links or explanations for the ones you've provided - every "inconsistency" i've read has been thoroughly explained by Nilbog at least once. Because every single time an inconsistency arises, it is explained rationally and sufficiently, I generally assume there is a specific reason it has been left "unclassic." Even if that reason isn't a specific implementation or knowledge problem. Just because I don't know the specific explanation does not then relegate the "the reason things are X is because of an attempt to mirror the classic experience" line of thinking to being invalid.

Would it make you feel more fuzzy and warm if I changed my words to say "It follows the general parameters of the classic experience, within a limited set of parameters" every time I want to say "it's classic" or "part of the classic experience?" Is that exact enough for you? Because the reason the exp penalty still exists really is because it mirrors the classic experience. That's a fact. Nilbog could remove it, but he specifically said he left it there because it was "part of the classic experience."


Now that i've spent all of that time to explain it - can you see why people consider what you're doing nitpicking?

Way to get owned, then try and spin what you said earlier. good job. someone has spent sometime on a forum before....Harrison, annoying as he may be, is correct... Using the "It isn't classic" argument is getting fucking old when so many elements in p99 aren't classic.

"No, I mean It's semi, kinda,sorta, almost, near, not exactly,as humanly possible, part of the classic experience"... give me a break.

[john_savage1982]

neckbeard reporting in, can I join your ultra-logical-trying-to-contradict-one-another-show-off-small-penis-size argument guys?

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[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Way to get owned, then try and spin what you said earlier. good job. someone has spent sometime on a forum before....Harrison, annoying as he may be, is correct... Using the "It isn't classic" argument is getting fucking old when so many elements in p99 aren't classic.

"No, I mean It's semi, kinda,sorta, almost, near, not exactly,as humanly possible, part of the classic experience"... give me a break.

Not my fault you're too lazy to read. It takes time to untangle the garbage that malcontents like you throw around on this forum. I wonder why you're even here, given how much hatred (or you just like to seem that way on an online forum) you seem to have for the staff.

In some respects, the line is drawn arbitrarily by the devs. If you don't like it, go cry. Devs have made it clear over and over they don't give a crap about anybody who plays.

Ironically, arbitrary is an arbitrary word. Your use of logic is fairly arbitrary. Roll up the "hardcore literalist" dial for "OMG ITS NOT CLASSIC," roll it back when someone rationally explains that intent is different from reality, but intent still has value.

If you wanted to actually "own" me, you'd try to prove that the devs don't really "intend" to produce the classic experience. But I doubt you really tried to comprehend anything I said. It probably feels too good to attack people over the internet.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my fault you're too lazy to read. It takes time to untangle the garbage that malcontents like you throw around on this forum. I wonder why you're even here, given how much hatred (or you just like to seem that way on an online forum) you seem to have for the staff.



Ironically, arbitrary is an arbitrary word. Your use of logic is fairly arbitrary. Roll up the "hardcore literalist" dial for "OMG ITS NOT CLASSIC," roll it back when someone rationally explains that intent is different from reality, but intent still has value.

If you wanted to actually "own" me, you'd try to prove that the devs don't really "intend" to produce the classic experience. But I doubt you really tried to comprehend anything I said. It probably feels too good to attack people over the internet.

My bad on the quote - that's actually someone else. I blended your two names when I went to reply and quoted someone else who I saw get shut down for the same reason (complaining about the "not classic" thing).

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad you found the appropriate venue to complain. I am sick of seeing people complain in Server Chat, you are correct. Do it here.

The objective of the server is to create a historical representation of the classic experience to the best of our ability.

Experience penalties: The in-game experience bar for every original player abided by these same rules. So, let's look at dates. EQ was released in March of 1999. The penalties were removed in January of 2001, in Velious. The majority of the classic timeframe (1 yr and 10 months) happened exactly the way it should be happening now.

This particular topic has been discussed in length on the forums. In my opinion, the experience system is an integral part of the game that shouldn't be ignored because people want to balance the entire game. I grow increasingly tired of playing mmorpgs until they are completely balanced. When that happens, everyone is the same, and it is boring. This is one small corner of the gaming universe where we are not forced to balance due to complaints of difficulty or envy.

If you want a level 60 hybrid character when Velious opens, put some time and effort into it. There will be more loot for you.

Oh man GMs can troll here thats fucking awesome WTB staff app. <3

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my fault you're too lazy to read. It takes time to untangle the garbage that malcontents like you throw around on this forum. I wonder why you're even here, given how much hatred (or you just like to seem that way on an online forum) you seem to have for the staff.



Ironically, arbitrary is an arbitrary word. Your use of logic is fairly arbitrary. Roll up the "hardcore literalist" dial for "OMG ITS NOT CLASSIC," roll it back when someone rationally explains that intent is different from reality, but intent still has value.

If you wanted to actually "own" me, you'd try to prove that the devs don't really "intend" to produce the classic experience. But I doubt you really tried to comprehend anything I said. It probably feels too good to attack people over the internet.

Did you really just claim I'm to lazy to read, then you go and make up something up that I didn't say or insinuate? ... "it seems like I have a lot of hatred for the staff and the server ? " Luluzlzuluzluzlzulzulzulzuz fail troll is fail.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you really just claim I'm to lazy to read, then you go and make up something up that I didn't say or insinuate? ... "it seems like I have a lot of hatred for the staff and the server ? " Luluzlzuluzluzlzulzulzulzuz fail troll is fail.

Look one post down from that one. I think you missed the post where I actually said "my bad" and explained that I made a mistake. Hopefully you're brushing up on your reading apart from your ventures into NSFW/R&F.

That's something trolls do often - you know, admit mistakes.

But you couldn't tell the difference in reason between proving intent and reality, so I guess I shouldn't expect so much from you.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look one post down from that one. I think you missed the post where I actually said "my bad" and explained that I made a mistake. Hopefully you're brushing up on your reading apart from your ventures into NSFW/R&F.

That's something trolls do often - you know, admit mistakes.

But you couldn't tell the difference in reason between proving intent and reality, so I guess I shouldn't expect so much from you.

Admitting your mistake doesn't make you less of a idiot. K thx.