Acceptable these days?

[Mordygan]

"What you described is not that though. Efficient CE groups regularly clear to CY, s mobs being down there does t really say much"

I was in a group, and mobs disappeared... I followed the mobs I was heading to pull, from literally 10m away ... all the way through invis walls.. up stairs and down stairs until I was led to the Courtyard. If it disbanded my group, it more than likely disbanded the CE group as there was zero response to a petition.

They are tired of babysitting. I get it. I'm sure its alot of the same players, and other players seeing these players get away with it. So whats that create? A plague of individuals that know, there will be no punishment.

I'm telling you, this isnt the first time. I was in a CE group a few weeks ago on another character. Instead of petitionquest, about 3 members in the group got fed up and logged after a group sat, literally, in the ballroom with the musicians. We were clearing the area, they wanted it and sat there.

Again, was in a GY group, which has what? Maybe 6 or 7 spawns in GY alone and usually you pull the pit? Place was packed again and 2 players decided they would sit in pit and pull those mobs, claiming it as a camp. So again, a full group in GY gets 7 mobs while 2 get to kill a split spawn in the pit.

Yet again, instead the puller had to camp the pit in order to pull what is spawning, instead of being able to run and check invis wall for mobs, he logged due to the lack of experience. As did a few others, citing again, lack of support and energy to /petitionquest that will be unresponsive.

Petition all you want. When I started this post, I had a petition in, and had screenshots/logs. What I didnt have, was fraps.

Regardless, after 3 or so hours, I logged and this group of players got what they wanted. They didnt stop until they were done. No GM reply.

I havent played in awhile and wanted to try and get back into the game and find another guild to raid with. In the past 2 weeks of play, I have realized how much this server has changed.

Since this was my 3rd time experiencing this within a few weeks, I decided to make a post to gain a little attention towards high traffic, grouping zones and the people that like to ruin them.

Hoping either the community could either change in order to better the server, or it can get a little attention by the GM's.

I dont think this should be an issue. Common courtesy and moral integrity, should tell you if something is right or wrong. Instead, you get rule lawyering and made up nonsense to justify a selfish act.

In the past, just petitioning this type of behavior made the selfish players log. Now they have zero fear.

I cant remember the name of the Guide back 2 years ago or so, but I petitioned this type of behavior way back when and that Guide stated there were camps and not just individual mob camps in MM. Whatever she said to the offender, all I know is they apologized to the whole group and went on their merry way out of the zone. I believe it was a Pond group and we were pulling "and keeping it clear, mind you", the caverns. A monk and a Ranger sat on the hillside "sniping" spawns as they appeared.

I got several /tells from the offender, stating I and the Guides instructions were wrong according to the Play Nice policies at the time. It wasnt a camp they said.

I'm guessing that was MaskedMelon. =p

[Mordygan]

"Why not just move somewhere that cuts them off from a wing or more of the castle?
If the whole castle is clear you could just move into the main lobby, or the library, somewhere where they'd be forced to train you and then just report them?"

Castigate, when I stopped in CY to, honestly passive aggressively "scold them" for disrupting the zone, another person went to pull. When they pulled a single mob, somehow it got social agro from another CY pull and killed them. The CY group did mercy Rez them, but it should have never happened.

So moving elsewhere to intentionally disrupt their pulling, was in my eyes 2 wrongs not making a right.

If we had moved in further and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

[Mordygan]

If we had moved in further "out of the way of the pulls" and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

Reporting, apparently, is temporarily disabled in game. Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the management side.

Again, I believe they are tired of babysitting and would rather the community to work it out.

Only one side of this argument is willing to have courtesy.

Its like banning guns. Its to take the guns out of the criminals hands, but it only takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

[maskedmelon]

Mord, you either need a better puller or to pull up stakes and go elsewhere. On one hand you are arguing for camps, on the other hand you are arguing against them. You want to be able to claim "tower" as a camp, but deny others the ability to claim "pit" as a camp.

For pulling, waiting for pit to spawn is not the solution. Pull from the castle, just make sure you have solid aggro when you pull through CE. If they root of cc your pulls then explain what you are doing and why you are doing it. If they continue to interfere or is then pull more and speed up pulls until you can get some through. Have a second groupmate pull if you are having trouble keeping group fed. Work back end of canyon, out to base of tower and rooms from stairs behind invis wall. Lots of options, waiting just isnt ideal. And no, never been reprimanded or told to leave for earning experience ^^

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Mordygan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we had moved in further "out of the way of the pulls" and gotten a bad mass respawn while fighting, it could have been an easy wipe. Again, it hurts us not them.

Reporting, apparently, is temporarily disabled in game. Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the management side.

Again, I believe they are tired of babysitting and would rather the community to work it out.

Only one side of this argument is willing to have courtesy.

Its like banning guns. Its to take the guns out of the criminals hands, but it only takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

That's just enabling the shitheads in the community to be assholes whenever/wherever they want [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think there's still consequences for being a dick, I sure hope there is.

[kotton05]

you need TO RECORD THE SHITTY BEHAVIOR as proof or else it all comes off as butt hurt nerds to the GMs guys...

Swish im with you, they are not tired of babysitting, they just have limited time etc after all this is an emulated server and the owners/gms are doing this just like us .. because they like EQ.

[Swish]

Exactly, hard to have eyes everywhere. The next best thing a player can do is record footage and send it in with a forum petition. Make the chat logs visible (don't record in 240p etc).

I'm all for justice on this box for people who go out of their way to stop others from enjoying the game.