Raid guild that doesnt require vent

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would argue the opposite. Any raid guild that does not require ventrilo is doomed to fail from the beginning. The amount of time you save communicating via speech compared to typing is invaluable. Voice chat also creates stronger bonds among guildmates. The proliferation of ventrilo is one of the only positive things that have happened to MMOs recently.

I've already turned down more than one applicant who told me they refused to use ventrilo. However, even I would make an exception for someone who was deaf, granted they knew what they were doing and were good at the game.

I assume you and your deaf friend went about the situation poorly.

I beg to differ. Voice chat is one of the downfalls of MMORPGs. Before I could log into EQ and immerse myself in a world of fantasy. Then guilds started using voice chat and suddenly I have to listen to a 12 year old pre-pubescent boy get his rocks off playing a female high elf enchanter.....or an internet tough guy talk in a really deep creepy-man voice.

It ruins the game for me.

[john_savage1982]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just putting myself in the shoes of whoever removed the deaf dude. If someone sent me a tell saying "I refuse to join vent during raids" I'd say sorry buddy, it's a requirement to be in my guild. However, if the guy said "I'd really love to be able to participate in vent, but I'm deaf" I'd definitely be arranging provisions for the guy so that he could be effective on raids while not participating in voice chat. It's called communicating information, not using a disability as a crutch.

I'd ask "why not dude?", because I'm not a dickhead. Why does the other person immediately have to explain themselves? If you had to take off work to get surgery to remove your testicles would you tell your boss that immediately when you say "I have to take off work because I'm getting my balls cut off."

Of course you'd provide a BS reason like "personal reasons" but the point is this is supposed to be a game and people here treat it like it's a god damn job. Congratz to the deaf dude for saying "I don't give a fuck."

[Odeseus]

Vent is nice for complicated encounters, but I rarely use it. I have no mic, but I have logged in to listen to make sure I don't miss anything "important". Half the time I can't understand what is being said, or what is being said is completely irrelevant to what is happening. Then you add in that vent is far from perfect (one guy speaks too loudly, too softly, has music turned up so loud that you can't hear him, another has a horribly annoying voice for whatever reason, and on and on) and I find it more trouble than it is worth.

2 major things tip the scales for me. If I really needed to, I'd deal with all the imperfections. BUT the strats and encounters here are 12 years old now. Each raiding guild probably has their own strats or guides posted. There is no excuse for having no idea what to do. Leaders shouldn't have to tell you anything too horribly important in vent or otherwise about what is happening.

The other major thing is that I am a mage. I basically do 3 things: send pet in, nuke and hand out mod rods. Rarely do I do anything else. Do I really need to be in vent for this? Now, it would be different if I was the main tank, puller or healer. Those people may want to use vent, but I'm not in those groups so I don't worry about it.

Oh, and if it is a problem of letting people know strats quickly, you can always do what my guild leader did back on live: save the strats on macros. Basically "/guild This mob does X, Y and Z. Classes A, B and C need to do this, etc."

Just my thoughts.

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Bushwick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Retan, your friend will have difficulty finding a raiding guild that doesn't rely on voice chat when raiding. However, I sincerely doubt he would be rejected from a guild that was made aware of his situation. It's understandable that he may feel uncomfortable sharing information about his disability here, but in this situation he will need to advocate for himself if he wants access to this portion of P1999's gameplay.

It would be a small thing for a guild to task one player on a raid with the responsibility to relay crucial information broadcast over voice chat into /g for hearing impaired players. In fact, I really love this idea.



Your scathing disapproval aside, what reason would a group of players have for completely ignoring modern conventions and the advantages they offer?

Holy shit. A mature thought out opinion?

You do not belong here sir, but all the same: well put. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dr4z3r]

Wow, 4 pages of bullshit, when the OP required a 4 word answer:

Dozekar
Doesn't
Require
Vent

[Mardur]

Isn't Dozekar also in the process of falling apart at the moment?

[Kassel]

no one needs vent for 12 year old tank and spank content....

[Shiftin]

The question is really answered in what do you consider "raiding".

Can you clear fear/hate armor mobs without vent? Of course you can. Are those really "raids" at this point in the timeline? That's more a matter of opinion.

Can you do isle 4-5+ of sky, race for draco/CT/Vox/Naggy and the upcoming kunark dragons without vent? Not nearly as effectively. I guess you could have giant macro banks for the top 40 most common things your raid leaders would need to call for, but even if you did it's a lot less efficient than "XXXX down, XXXX in" real quick by a raid leader in voice chat.

Bush's response is well-reasoned as well.

[Aanelan]

Honestly I think it all comes down to how much he liked his old guild if it was something he really cared about then making his situation known privately to the leadership would have been the way to go. If he wasn't really happy then looking for a new guild is fine. Making a huge deal about his disability in this post is bullshit if he doesn't even want to deal with himself or explain to his guild what's up. Just my 2cp

[eldub]

Running all of your raiding through Chat is also extremely difficult without Chat Channels beyond the default. You'd be amazed how fast 30 people can plow through /gu unless you really want to spew all of your macros into /auc and /ooc, etc.

Once chat channels were implemented, it became a lot easier to manage guild raiding (even on 72-man content) via text.