Which class when played with skill affects your group the most?

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Izmael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there's one open spot in my group doing a high level dungeon and we have a good enc and an equally good bard both applying for the spot, I'd personally pick enc pretty much every single time, but maybe that's just me.

I would too, but I have a lot more faith in enchanters. Only VERY rarely have I grouped with a bard that was worthy of the praise so many ppl give to the class. Enchanter has a more solid feeling in group to me. Long duration buffs, solid charm pet dps, not to mention if they are pro they are running to different spots in camp casting minor illusion for your entertainment

[Kowalski]

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[astuce999]

Very interesting thread. It's divided into people who have played with godly bards and know nothing comes close, and people who haven't seen it happen and therefore think it's overhyped and choose something else.

It's a great social experiment.

I have a 60 bard, 60 chanter, and 60 necro.

I understand the arguments about the chanter and necro, and it is true that they can have a very noticeable impact. Depending on the dungeon, they trade the silver medal.

But the bard takes the gold. It's not even close. If the impact level was on a scale, then necro's and chanter would be rated from 1 to 10. But the bard would be from 1 to 100.

There will always be disbelievers. It's like trying to explain the ocean to someone who's only ever seen lakes.

Astuce

[lonmoer]

Bards without a doubt.

[Expediency]

+1 for bard. There is an incredible gap between good bards and bad bards. Necro, pally, or enchanter battle for second imo.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very interesting thread. It's divided into people who have played with godly bards and know nothing comes close, and people who haven't seen it happen and therefore think it's overhyped and choose something else.

I mean, Bard is very good but I don't see how they can be better than Enchanters when charm is available. For example, I'd take Monk/Cleric/Enchanter with a charmed dire wolf in Kael over any trio involving a Bard. It's a touch worse defensively than say Bard/Warrior/Cleric but far, far stronger offensively. Personal opinion:

1. Monk
2. Enchanter with charmed pet
3. Shaman
4. Bard
5. Enchanter without charmed pet

The biggest problem I have with Bards is that I don't really think they shine in small groups. Can Bard/Shaman duo Tolapumj for example? I've done that many times Shm/Mnk. I don't think it would be possible even without his guards as they wouldn't have enough push or tanking ability.

[lonmoer]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, Bard is very good but I don't see how they can be better than Enchanters when charm is available. For example, I'd take Monk/Cleric/Enchanter with a charmed dire wolf in Kael over any trio involving a Bard. It's a touch worse defensively than say Bard/Warrior/Cleric but far, far stronger offensively. Personal opinion:

1. Monk
2. Enchanter with charmed pet
3. Shaman
4. Bard
5. Enchanter without charmed pet

The biggest problem I have with Bards is that I don't really think they shine in small groups. Can Bard/Shaman duo Tolapumj for example? I've done that many times Shm/Mnk. I don't think it would be possible even without his guards as they wouldn't have enough push or tanking ability.

OPs question is skill though. A good bard will have to set up macros prepared and and a breath of harmony to keep up 5 songs as well as be able to fight, and manage mezzing mobs. I've never had to pay attention nor make as many key pressed to be a good monk vs playing my bard

[Ravager]

It's not the class that makes the biggest difference but the role. A good puller, whether it's warrior, SK, ranger, monk, bard, druid, rogue or whatever is what makes the group good or not. Someone who can pull to keep a steady flow of exp, no matter how fast it is, is the most significant cog in the machine. A good puller will keep things moving at a good, steady rate. A bad puller will wipe you or bore the shit out of you.

[Lowako]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OPs question is skill though. A good bard will have to set up macros prepared and and a breath of harmony to keep up 5 songs as well as be able to fight, and manage mezzing mobs. I've never had to pay attention nor make as many key pressed to be a good monk vs playing my bard

A bard could keep up 8 songs at a time and still provide less power/kill efficiency to the group than an enchanter. A good enchanter provides almost everything a bard does, while also adding more raw DPS than a rogue through the use of charmed pets. Also, enchanters get tash+slow, which are immensely useful.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very interesting thread. It's divided into people who have played with godly bards and know nothing comes close, and people who haven't seen it happen and therefore think it's overhyped and choose something else.

It's a great social experiment.

I have a 60 bard, 60 chanter, and 60 necro.

I understand the arguments about the chanter and necro, and it is true that they can have a very noticeable impact. Depending on the dungeon, they trade the silver medal.

But the bard takes the gold. It's not even close. If the impact level was on a scale, then necro's and chanter would be rated from 1 to 10. But the bard would be from 1 to 100.

There will always be disbelievers. It's like trying to explain the ocean to someone who's only ever seen lakes.

Astuce

This guy gets it.