IS Hillary Clinton just insane?

[Csihar]

Apparently people derive a sense of control and feeling of superiority from believing in so-called conspiracy theories. No matter how complex the theory is it allows the adherant to understand the incredibly complex world in relatively simple terms. People are reduced to charicatures and entire populations are split along two sides.

They 'know the truth' whereas most other people (or should I say 'sheople') are sleeping and 'need to wake up'. This allows for a feeling of superiority. Screeching on an online forum to the 5 people that may possibly actually read it somehow in their mind constitutes a believable forewarning worthy of being heeded and when things go wrong they are there to remind us how they 'told us so!'.

Armchair online activism is mistaken for actual activism. Lazily reading websites marred by the mixture of facts with conjecture (but presented as fact) with no regard whatsoever for cognitive bias is mistaken for actual research.
The obvious arrogance and contempt is poorly hidden through humour and 'playful' jabs. New problems are looked upon gleefully as they confirm what they supposedly already knew. Although they claim to want solutions above all this is a lie (one they themselves believe). Problems being solved is the opposite of what they want as it takes away their (imaginary) special status.

They come in all different forms and it's impossible to stereotype them accurately but one common factor is that they are in no way as smart as they think they are.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently people derive a sense of control and feeling of superiority from believing in so-called conspiracy theories. No matter how complex the theory is it allows the adherant to understand the incredibly complex world in relatively simple terms. People are reduced to charicatures and entire populations are split along two sides.

They 'know the truth' whereas most other people (or should I say 'sheople') are sleeping and 'need to wake up'. This allows for a feeling of superiority. Screeching on an online forum to the 5 people that may possibly actually read it somehow in their mind constitutes a believable forewarning worthy of being heeded and when things go wrong they are there to remind us how they 'told us so!'.

Armchair online activism is mistaken for actual activism. Lazily reading websites marred by the mixture of facts with conjecture (but presented as fact) with no regard whatsoever for cognitive bias is mistaken for actual research.
The obvious arrogance and contempt is poorly hidden through humour and 'playful' jabs. New problems are looked upon gleefully as they confirm what they supposedly already knew. Although they claim to want solutions above all this is a lie (one they themselves believe). Problems being solved is the opposite of what they want as it takes away their (imaginary) special status.

They come in all different forms and it's impossible to stereotype them accurately but one common factor is that they are in no way as smart as they think they are.

wow that's a lot of effort and time into an ad hominem. Just think if you put that time and effort into something substantial, like actual research of a topic. And over time, as you keep at it, days, months years, decades, you might understand a plethora of topics that you too could confidently discuss with others.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow that's a lot of effort and time into an ad hominem. Just think if you put that time and effort into something substantial, like actual research of a topic. And over time, as you keep at it, days, months years, decades, you might understand a plethora of topics that you too could confidently discuss with others.

That's not an ad hominem, but an explanation of a mindset. You're a moron. (PS, that last sentence is an ad hominem)

[Jarnauga]

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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not an ad hominem, but an explanation of a mindset. You're a moron. (PS, that last sentence is an ad hominem)

"ad hominem"
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

"an explanation of a mindset"
1. (no entries found)

And really, the whole "conspiracy theorist" thing, it's not just one camp, as like I've pointed out this week here it also comes out of the liberals, just bad though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. You know, the whole thing before Snowden was just a "conspiracy theory"? Yaaap! Yes, two can play at that game, just some are no good at it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"ad hominem"
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

"an explanation of a mindset"
1. (no entries found)

And really, the whole "conspiracy theorist" thing, it's not just one camp, as like I've pointed out this week here it also comes out of the liberals, just bad though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. You know, the whole thing before Snowden was just a "conspiracy theory"? Yaaap! Yes, two can play at that game, just some are no good at it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You try really hard to maintain the facade. Just sad you moron.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not an ad hominem, but an explanation of a mindset. You're a moron. (PS, that last sentence is an ad hominem)

This.

For it to be an ad hominem I would had to have commented on the Hillary video. I'm not saying the video has no merit (not saying it has merit either).

I don't use conspiracy theorist as an insult. People theorizing about conspiracies isn't a bad thing in itself. It can actually be a good thing seeing as how there are conspiracy out there.

"They come in all different forms and it's impossible to stereotype them accurately".

There is no such thing as conspiracy theorist in that sense.

But a subculture has come into existence and as with all subcultures people start sharing certain traits and exhibiting similar behaviour. They start following similar narratives. It's human nature. Ayn Rand showed how little she understood human nature when she replied to accusations that she and her followers were a cult by claiming you could never have a cult of individualism.

Alex Jones is paranoid and he has a twisted worldview. Every person he meets falls into a certain category. It's especially apparent when he's interacting with people outside of his studio. Everything that happens around him is controlled by some higher power (not in spiritual sense) and is a conscious action with a specific purpose. People around him fulfull roles like in a board game. We have the infiltrator, the spy, the instigator, the distraction. A person tripped and bumping into him is 'a warning'.
You will likely never catch him just sitting back joking around with some friends about light hearted stuff. A good fart joke would do him good. His only form of humour comes in the form of mocking people or serious situations (in a 'better to laugh than cry' manner) and agitating those he feels are evil (ie. The Young Turks encounter). It's an unhealthy and inaccurate worldview.

He is overconfident in his abilities and (as is often the case) has stopped differentiating between something that's suspect and something that is a proven fact. None of this means that he is wrong about everything necessarily. He could be a paranoid schizophrenic and still get a number of things right. None of this means he's a bad person.

Those who are genuinely in search of truth should start by examining themselves for false beliefs, bad thinking patterns, intellectually destructive behaviour etc. Finding the flaws in 'your' group can sometimes be more important in finding the flaws in 'their' group.

The adherants of a belief don't necessarily reflect on the belief itself. You are not the theories. Criticism of you is not criticism of theories.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For it to be an ad hominem I would had to have commented on the Hillary video.

Exactly! You didn't comment on the video but just went directly after me with attacks. ad hominem, duh??

Squeaky voice: "Apparently people derive a sense of control and feeling of superiority from believing in so-called conspiracy theories."

You're first line, that's directed at me, and everything that follows. You were not commenting on the video just like you said right now, Well then WhoTF were you talking about then dumb ass? Exactly!

It wouldn't bother me but then you come back and spit out the above BS. I said F* reading the rest but glanced onto this:

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alex Jones is (insert blah blah tl;dr crud)

That wasn't Alex Jones in that video, biach. What, you off your meds?? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Csihar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently people derive a sense of control and feeling of superiority from believing in so-called conspiracy theories. No matter how complex the theory is it allows the adherant to understand the incredibly complex world in relatively simple terms. People are reduced to charicatures and entire populations are split along two sides.

They 'know the truth' whereas most other people (or should I say 'sheople') are sleeping and 'need to wake up'. This allows for a feeling of superiority. Screeching on an online forum to the 5 people that may possibly actually read it somehow in their mind constitutes a believable forewarning worthy of being heeded and when things go wrong they are there to remind us how they 'told us so!'.

Armchair online activism is mistaken for actual activism. Lazily reading websites marred by the mixture of facts with conjecture (but presented as fact) with no regard whatsoever for cognitive bias is mistaken for actual research.
The obvious arrogance and contempt is poorly hidden through humour and 'playful' jabs. New problems are looked upon gleefully as they confirm what they supposedly already knew. Although they claim to want solutions above all this is a lie (one they themselves believe). Problems being solved is the opposite of what they want as it takes away their (imaginary) special status.

They come in all different forms and it's impossible to stereotype them accurately but one common factor is that they are in no way as smart as they think they are.

You hit the nail on the fucking head

[R Flair]

at this point people who don't see truth in what were formerly conspiracy theories (now its just reality) then you just aren't paying attention

shits just right out in the open now - ie. no longer a need to theorize