smoking age is 21 now in California

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well ... yeah ...but [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Sure, less intoxicated now (maybe time for liquor store run). 12 is not all that different than 18. I'm in my 40's now, I remember how STUPID I was when I was 12, and not that much more/less than when I was 18. I don't know how it is now, I'm culturally lost with these public schools and the obsessive-obsessive! hand holding they project. But at 12yo we were damn rugged, we didn't come crying to our daycare worker when we got a boo-boo on the knee.

Honestly, there has been a huge shift where it comes to growing up over the past 20 years+, they are sheltered now in every way and thought that they are basically not adults until they reach 32 or something. It's batshit crazy progressive stuff. I'm not saying a 12yo should go out and get hitched, not at all, but the reality of things have deeply shifted in recent years, and I view it as nothing but social engineering to turn the west into a bunch of weak libtards easy for the pickings.

And if you are getting riled as if I am speaking of everyone, I'm not. Some younger people I rely on getting info from, there still is hope for humanity. But when I was young, the percentage of off the wall leftist libtards, was in the smaller percentage. Things like global warming mentioned in the 70's, the whole damn school bus broke out in laughter over, damnstraight! Oh now, one of the leading fears and cause of nightmares amoungst the youth of today. WTF happened?

No yeah, not a real Q, been screaming about it for 30 years now. Told you so, here let me laugh my ass off now. Everyone has a time to go I guess, appointed time, just at times it may come in big clumps of peeps I guess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

booze

[Bazia]

amphetamines and steroids?

what the fuck are you talking about

[AzzarTheGod]

this guy is claiming his friend was turned into Hunter S. Thomspon by the armed service.

wonder if they give the soldiers Viagra too

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

booze

30yrs of booze? nah. Even in my drunkest state (far from it, I can drink a case+), I can out-think any libtard with only his 1/2 a wit. No new revelations from me, not when slamming the left; they bring the same rotton fish day after day. No matter what state you are in, you know what stink is, and can describe it, even if they are cluless from living in it and don't know the difference.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He probably means Corticosteroids like Prednisone etc. To this day certain people think these are the same as anabolic steroids , it's rather sad. BUT!!!! You can troll the shit out them

Yea. And I highly doubt corticosteroids caused his brother's infertility. Most likely from them punching each other in the balls or nobody actually told him he had to use it on females to procreate. We should probably keep the secret from both of them.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Laws, not your opinion.

Oh ok. Then accept the fact that 21 is the legal smoking age.

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a given right to do whatever we want to ourselves. Raising ages on things is a controversy amongst people who don't give a damn because of their own personal views. Freedom is freedom. You are and adult at 18 not 21. This 21 for alcohol and tobacco is stupid. We can thank lobbyists like M.A.D.D for the 21 age for drinking. They had road funding etc sneaked into the bill to prevent states from lowering the age ala through the fed stupid stupid stupid.

It's not as simple as an Ayn Rand novel. You're not dealing with super logical rational beings, you're dealing with human beings. The fact that young children see adults with cigarettes manipulates their perception of what's "normal" (and subconsciously what's acceptable and good).

We may be intelligent self-aware creatures but $9.99 instead of $10 exists because our brains are incredibly fallible. People who study sociology go into advertising. Stores are set up in a certain way to increase purchases. If it really were as simple as free individuals freely doing business then all of that stuff wouldn't work. Cigarette companies weaseled their way into society and now cigarettes are a permanent fixture. They self-advertise.

Ignore politics, morals and economics. Just look at human psychology. The fact that cigarettes and alcohol are in our faces every day impedes our freedom. If you don't understand that then you don't understand how human beings function. The laws (ideally of course) offer a sort of balance. Again: it's not an Ayn Rand novel and our decision making process is very much subconscious.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the laws by the way.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

[Csihar]

And yes:

Originally Posted by Cecily

Also, arguing for freedom and extremely addictive products in the same breath is pretty funny.

If you use this wonderful product as intended you will become addicted. By definition that impedes your freedom.
You can be all short-sighted (and wrong) and simply write it off as "lol just will power it bruv".

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree

Well, my ego needs no more. Close thread!

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

Seriously though, can you elaborate? I ams curious.

If you agree on creating a balance do you have any suggestions how it could be handled better? I don't think we agree to the same degree but I am of the opinion that the law is imperfect to say the least. And I don't like how it impedes the freedom of the small group of people who can handle it.