Eff Cancer and eff this stupid bathroom debate!

[maerilith]

I'm a valuable member of society.

[Nihilist_santa]

Hey no one said they werent valuable. Someone has been pimping shemales for long time.

I was watching a speaker last night and I found it interesting that he was saying that Marx would not be for LGBTQ rights. It would have been considered an aspect of decadence affecting bourgeois society. This guy is a big leftist in the UK and AUS so this struck me as interesting. He pointed out how LG?T#Q being used on the left is an aspect of cultural Marxism. Again the guy is a marxist so this isnt some fringe idea coming from the alt right.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that transgender people have always been a part of those societal groups and have helped your civilization survive to a point that allows you to be angry and upset online at them?

Maer, This may be true, but it was not the transgenderism that enabled any contribution. Any contribution would have been made in spite of transgenderism, the same goes for homosexuality. We've had some men of exceptional genius fail to pass on their genetic material because they couldn't stand the thought of depositing it in a vagina. In contemporary society this is largely irrelevant of course, but the point remains that the expression itself did not add value to our society. The same could be said of many other things from making piano keys from ivory to oral sex. Just because you like something or identify strongly with it does not make it good for society or even you.

Transgenderism benefits nobody. You should know that well. It just creates discontent. It is a fact of life for some though and it is only made worse by mental health workers who reinforce delusion. It is impossible to change your sex. Accepting that is the first step to happiness. As long as you cling to the delusion that you really are a woman, you will remain unhappy. Just accept that you prefer feminine things and be content being womanlike, because you will continue to be reminded that you are indeed not a woman indefinitely whether from others or yourself.

And understand not everyone shares your interests and you will receive the best response by not thrusting your sexual fetish in everyone's face all the time. Try blending in.

[maerilith]

I don't see how an extremist point of view benefits anyone when it's been practiced in theory in multiple countries and proven to be harmful. Such as what Marxism espouses.

That doesn't mean I think Obama is a monster. Or that we should make the less fortunate pay for our lives if we can work towards a better world that helps everyone and affords everyone the same opportunities.

I don't like the idea of protecting one group over another. And I think we could very much change that while still making it wrong to exploit human beings for personal greed and gain.

I think humans have a lot of demons in their nature and that this is the kind of thing that takes a lifetime to work towards, then your dead, and someone else with a new set of politics or religion or ideology, or plan comes along and either undoes or improves.

The idea behind America was to keep trying to get it right not let human nature create a dystopia.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maer, This may be true, but it was not the transgenderism that enabled any contribution. Any contribution would have been made in spite of transgenderism, the same goes for homosexuality. We've had some men of exceptional genius fail to pass on their genetic material because they couldn't stand the thought of depositing it in a vagina. In contemporary society this is largely irrelevant of course, but the point remains that the expression itself did not add value to our society. The same could be said of many other things from making piano keys from ivory to oral sex. Just because you like something or identify strongly with it does not make it good for society or even you.

Transgenderism benefits nobody. You should know that well. It just creates discontent. It is a fact of life for some though and it is only made worse by mental health workers who reinforce delusion. It is impossible to change your sex. Accepting that is the first step to happiness. As long as you cling to the delusion that you really are a woman, you will remain unhappy. Just accept that you prefer feminine things and be content being womanlike, because you will continue to be reminded that you are indeed not a woman indefinitely whether from others or yourself.

And understand not everyone shares your interests and you will receive the best response by not thrusting your sexual fetish in everyone's face all the time. Try blending in.

"don't be yourself i dont like it"

[Nihilist_santa]

No no and no. America isnt your personal refuge. America was a timocratic republic that sought to uphold personal liberty and property rights for its citizens. Its citizens were not this melting pot mud that has been produced today. They were white land owners. The dystopia began when the represented culture was allowed to be outnumbered through immigration and their interest over represented through the media. Then they use democracy to force liberalism which is exactly where unfettered democracy always leads. You are the CANCER!

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maer, This may be true, but it was not the transgenderism that enabled any contribution.

What about pagan cults and dioneses? What about literature? What about plays? What about challenging peoples perceptions? What about the drive of some people to improve humanities conditions, due to their own circumstances?

Any contribution would have been made in spite of transgenderism, the same goes for homosexuality. We've had some men of exceptional genius fail to pass on their genetic material because they couldn't stand the thought of depositing it in a vagina. In contemporary society this is largely irrelevant of course, but the point remains that the expression itself did not add value to our society. The same could be said of many other things from making piano keys from ivory to oral sex. Just because you like something or identify strongly with it does not make it good for society or even you.

I'm just a warrior a breeder and a stud to you? way to really dehumanize and objectify a person.

Transgenderism benefits nobody. You should know that well. It just creates discontent. It is a fact of life for some though and it is only made worse by mental health workers who reinforce delusion. It is impossible to change your sex. Accepting that is the first step to happiness. As long as you cling to the delusion that you really are a woman, you will remain unhappy. Just accept that you prefer feminine things and be content being womanlike, because you will continue to be reminded that you are indeed not a woman indefinitely whether from others or yourself.

You can't make that decision for me. Not on any ethical or moral grounds I think I could appreciate. I didn't chose to be this way, yet this is me, and I would be dead if I couldn't transition. Perhaps I can continue to help people and provide something back to society. What if the person who develops FTL was transgender and they died because they were forced to live in a body and world that they could do absolutely nothing about because of other peoples morality and ethics. You're arguing for a static universe were people are binary objects without free will or expression. Transgenderism harms no one who is truly transgender. And it wouldn't harm cis individuals if cis weren't wrongly told to fear transgender individuals. Cis people won't, and don't all of a sudden feel the need to transition. Bad snake oils salesmen (woman 2) have been selling bad medicine and pushing bad science forever. Just because someone could drop a toaster in their bathtub doesn't mean everyone is going to all of a sudden do that if we bring them to market. It's perfectly safe for people to transition who need it. Much safer then being forced to not transition. People decide for themselves all the time how, whether to transition, why, and when. No one forces this on them.

And understand not everyone shares your interests and you will receive the best response by not thrusting your sexual fetish in everyone's face all the time. Try blending in.

I've said time and time again sexuality is totally different from gender and body dysphoria. I'm as disturbed by the fetishism as you are. It's painful and scary and I don't even go to support groups where it's prevalent because it's awful.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"don't be yourself i dont like it"

No, not at all. It is honest advice on happiness. The three steps to happiness:

1. Identify
2. Accept
3. Surrender

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No no and no. America isnt your personal refuge. America was a timocratic republic that sought to uphold personal liberty and property rights for its citizens. Its citizens were not this melting pot mud that has been produced today. They were white land owners. The dystopia began when the represented culture was allowed to be outnumbered through immigration and their interest over represented through the media. Then they use democracy to force liberalism which is exactly where unfettered democracy always leads. You are the CANCER!

I'm a citizen. Pokesan is a citizen. Bush is a citizen, you're a citizen. I've always been a citizen. I would have been in the past and hopefully will still be in the future.

Stop trying to redefine who is an American or not to suit your idea of a white race being the perfect incarnation of humanity.

The idea became thoroughly through civil rights that no citizen would be more or less of a citizen then another or that one group of citizens wouldn't suddenly start to exclude another from citizenship. A lot of people payed dearly and suffered for this and the creation of equal rights pushed America through the cold war and into the new millenia in a stronger financial, technological, and economic, position than any other country on the planet.

[Pokesan]

actually im not a citizen im from space