US Oligarchs Find Common Ground In Circumventing Law

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose it could be apathetic or dead too. It is most certainly not benevolent and omnipotent.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we just have no way of knowing.

I rearranged that for you so that the paragraph stops conflicting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Something to ponder: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ienceofgod.htm
A couple points of the 2pg article I disagree with, and the last summery paragraph I'd strike out, but overall a good article for a link here. It's a long read, could spur further investigation, read at your convenience.

For Science!

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes , but as I have said, what is true of the part is not necessarily true of the whole and what is true of the whole is not necessarily true of the part.

Are we unable to differentiate between trees and leaves or guidance systems and missiles because they are parts and wholes?

What's self evident is the leaves are made by the tree and are apart of the tree. Missiles are not made by the guidance system and neither the guidance system made by the missile.

But if man is made by nature, nature must exhibit every aspect of man even if that aspect is unidentifiable by modern science.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I rearranged that for you so that the paragraph stops conflicting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Something to ponder: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ienceofgod.htm
A couple points of the 2pg article I disagree with, and the last summery paragraph I'd strike out, but overall a good article for a link here. It's a long read, could spur further investigation, read at your convenience.

For Science!

I'll take a look at it ^^

However, the fact that we cannot be certain of the existence of a creator does not prohibit us from making inferences about its nature if it did exist.

For example, suppose it is 4:34 on Thursday and we are at a party. The party began at 4:30. We have no idea whether or not all invitees are in attendance, but we know that those who are not are most certainly late [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Is Rogean all things p99? The creator imo is separate from the creation. You cant apply the same rules to the creator. Pantheist will disagree but who cares what they think since its all "one" and you just get recycled with no lasting repercussions.

Rogean is not a creator, Rogean is a replicator. Just like man could clone or replicate itself. No such thing as man in the context as creator. Man alters, fabricates, and assembles. Only the idea is created, the final product is merely assembled.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take a look at it ^^

However, the fact that we cannot be certain of the existence of a creator does not prohibit us from making inferences about its nature if it did exist.

For example, suppose it is 4:34 on Thursday and we are at a party. The party began at 4:30. We have no idea whether or not all invitees are in attendance, but we know that those who are not are most certainly late [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or they are there but we are just too preoccupied with something to notice. Lots of times I've had those moments where someone or something that I thought wasn't there actually was there all along, the realization hit me by surprise.

Our senses are pretty funky, I really-really-really wish I could even look into the sky and see the whole UV spectrum at night, or feel the literal waves of the universe roll over me. I know it's there and active, a big part of my life knowing it or not, I search it often, but... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
At least my faith says it's there. Still can't touch it or show it to you directly w/o need for the same faith, but it's there. Even our concept of pictures are limited, so much more going on there we can't see of the sky, that a camera can only show grey ghosts of.

And not just the big stuff that mesmerizes me, like mega black holes and magnetars and such, but even to the tiny world we can see nothing of, yet is active in our lives. That world is a huge mystery the way it works, especially in the realm of quantum physics. I'm blown away the more and more I learn of it over the years, just astounding. When I was born, we had no idea the Universe was so huge and also so small. And I think we have hardly even scratched the surface of our reality, we are so very small.

My personal interpretation? We are in a hatchery. Too much or too little we just don't develop as we should, individually. If the hen pecks the shell open we die. Certainly we are meant to search things out and develop, just look how complex everything is from the biggest to the smallest of things in our universe. Those things always there but we just didn't know how to look (and still don't fully), which is not simply by sight. And then individually we move on, just as like the first law of thermodynamics.

[Daywolf]

And anyway, if I could prove things to you/them without a shadow of a doubt by presentation (or if someone else could for that matter), would you follow me? Would you drink my kool-aid? hehehe Then would you lay down next to me and wait for the quick end? hehe in light of the insanity of man which I am a part of and wrestle with. It's probably good no one could prove things to you/me/us/them as likely we would follow them to our doom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But I have enough for me, and also to respect life and keep my sanity as it stands.

Would they give me 100 trillion dollars for the truth? Would it still be truth then? Is 100 trillion even worth anything? It's probably the smart thing to do, and just then unravel the mysteries on our part by effort rather than by direct and obvious intervention seen by all. I think maybe a matter of our developing character. Fun ride so far though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] makes me look forward to the next 100 trillion years.

[maerilith]

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[Daywolf]

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[Blitzers]

Damn, SPAMWOLF killing the thread once again with riot in his head. Oh well

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's self evident is the leaves are made by the tree and are apart of the tree. Missiles are not made by the guidance system and neither the guidance system made by the missile.

Why then does the tree not exhibit every characteristic of the leaves if the leaves are made by he tree and creations must reflect every aspect of their creators as you argue?

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if man is made by nature, nature must exhibit every aspect of man even if that aspect is unidentifiable by modern science.

Nihilist Santa already addressed this, but you appear to be operating with a different definition of the the word "create". What is your reasoning here? Why must nature exhibit every aspect of man?