Druids are not meant for groups

[Matthalas Winterheart]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Matthalas I dont know where you read in this thread that I want level 60 and BIS handed to me. So if you're offended because I argued with you about my own rant thread. welcome to RnF.

No, Im not offended. Im just confused as to why someone, or anyone for that matter continues to bash a class that is one of the most versatile in the game.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Matthalas Winterheart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, Im not offended. Im just confused as to why someone, or anyone for that matter continues to bash a class that is one of the most versatile in the game.

I'll try to be as clear as possible. There are other classes in Everquest that will roles in a group which make the class in question, druids far less valuable.
A shaman for example nullifies a great deal of any additions the druids add. They can regenerate group members and even root. Buff stats, AC & HP. On top of covering a druids duties nicely they can Slow and Haste!
Shms even get alchemy which can craft a DS potion,. which yeah, yeah. stacks with a druid's DS but your group will still have DS without the druid.

Clerics can completely heal group members, buff AC & HP( HP stacks with Shms spells).

Mages contribute far better dps hands down and get a super nice DS.

[Matthalas Winterheart]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll try to be as clear as possible. There are other classes in Everquest that will roles in a group which make the class in question, druids far less valuable.
A shaman for example nullifies a great deal of any additions the druids add. They can regenerate group members and even root. Buff stats, AC & HP. On top of covering a druids duties nicely they can Slow and Haste!
Shms even get alchemy which can craft a DS potion,. which yeah, yeah. stacks with a druid's DS but your group will still have DS without the druid.

Clerics can completely heal group members, buff AC & HP( HP stacks with Shms spells).

Mages contribute far better dps hands down and get a super nice DS.

I see your point, but I'll stand my ground. I've lost count of how many times Ive been brought into a group for Main Heals, because there wasnt a Cleric,or shaman in zone.

With that being said, I know enough about the druid class to say, that whilst they are versatile. They cannot MH any group 50+. As a druid, when brought into a group to be a main healer, I'll state immediately that I will do my best, but I make no promises. As druids tap out with Chloroblast and Regrowth, its not enough to MH a tank with those amount of HP's.

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I will curb this by keeping CC up, and DS. Most groups can see that it's more gain then loss.

[Ravager]

Wizards aren't a terrible addition to a group if you're facing a lot of casters/healers. DD stuns and well timed nukes can make things very efficient. But there is a finesse to it. Chain-casting wizards don't do groups any favors.

If you really want the perfect exp group, go SK, Monk, Rogue, Rogue, Cleric, Enchanter.

[Baler]

Wizards are like the opposite problem of druids though.
Druids have mana and dont do shit.
Wizards dont have mana and cant do it. (after they get done nuking)

[Baler]

For a full group,. druid doesn't pull their weight. Duo's and Trio's I can see them being really helpful in their 'versatility'.

Also what animals is there to charm in dungeons. >_>

PS. I really need an edit button. I've made so many typos it hurts. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Matthalas Winterheart]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a full group,. druid doesn't pull their weight. Duo's and Trio's I can see them being really helpful in their 'versatility'.

Also what animals is there to charm in dungeons. >_>

PS. I really need an edit button. I've made so many typos it hurts. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druids can do damn well in Chardok charming the dogs.

[GreldorEQ]

I had varying experiences with groups while levelling. When I FELT like I couldnt hold my own, I found a rep and soloed/duoed and this was often. OP is generally right when it comes to the min/max lvl 25-59 experience, if youre into min maxing.

However, at level 60, and with my epic and SS BP, this drastically changes. Ive healed solo for king groups, arena, velks, kc, you name it. I can PoTG, AE root, heal quickly and somewhat efficiently, and I can save bacon with succor, root, epic snare, indoor stuns and 1k DDs. Did I mention I can track and sneak pull too?

Druids are about versatility, not peak efficiency. At 60, we thrive, and have a tendency to break the well established and well founded stereotype of the sub-60 druid. I kick ass at druiding and so can you.

Quit min-maxing and start relaxing!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by GreldorEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, at level 60, and with my epic and SS BP, this drastically changes. Ive healed solo for king groups, arena, velks, kc, you name it. I can PoTG, AE root, heal quickly and somewhat efficiently, and I can save bacon with succor, root, epic snare, indoor stuns and 1k DDs. Did I mention I can track and sneak pull too?

I think one of the biggest boosts to Druids was the AC boost of Velious gear. I duoed Siren's Grotto a few times with Speedi and it was actually better than MNK/SHM. The Sirens hit for min like 40-50% of the time vs 1300+ AC, so after dispelling the haste Speedi was able to keep me alive pretty well while doing solid damage with damage shield/epic/arms. Snare is also really nice since everything gates. This would never work with Kunark gear, though.

[Tewaz]

God you sound like a little bitch, op.