Kael + ToV Rules

[Pint]

Are we agreeing that the gloves are off past the north door? What are we doing about calling raid violations past that point?

[Daldaen]

With no FTE out, beyond the North Door there shouldn't be any calls for concede, trains, etc.

AEs will go off
Hides will be broken
FDs will be broken
People will die

Trying to determine Blame will not be reliable at all.

I hope everyone can agree to this.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With no FTE out, beyond the North Door there shouldn't be any calls for concede, trains, etc.

AEs will go off
Hides will be broken
FDs will be broken
People will die

Trying to determine Blame will not be reliable at all.

I hope everyone can agree to this.

Long as shit isn't malicious I don't see there being too much complaining, but if there's fraps of some monk purposefully aggroing and snuggling up next to rogues to break hides there will be problems.

[Daldaen]

Monks will be dropping aggro they get and rogues/monks will be intermingled. I think it will be very hard to determine what hide breaks are caused from malicious monk trains and just monks dropping down to avoid melee hits themselves.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long as shit isn't malicious I don't see there being too much complaining, but if there's fraps of some monk purposefully aggroing and snuggling up next to rogues to break hides there will be problems.

It will happen. Will it look malicious? Yep. Will it be malicious? Probably not.

[Pint]

I just dont think you are going to be able to differentiate between malicious and not malicious. If you're a monk and you need to fd are you going to stop and look around to make sure its safe or are you just going to fd? If a rogue is sneaking past a mob I front of you are you going to hesitate to sprint past him BC that drake in front of him is going to aoe both of you? If there are 8 drakes flapping around how will you know which one will aoe when? Every racer will have their own fraps that they can point to to show foul play but who is going to comb and rule on the 15 different fraps from every race? It sure as shit wont be sirken.

Have the casual guilds given consideration to the fact that all the aftermath and awakened racers will zone right back into tov, get a corpse summon, snag some buffs and run right back into the fray? I imagine most casual racers will end up dead standing around in places like Kael and skyshrine.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are we agreeing that the gloves are off past the north door? What are we doing about calling raid violations past that point?

If you are talking specifically about racers then I can see that making sense.

If you are talking about training a guild that is fighting to a mob like Dagarn and your racer training them trying to get to triplets then no, I do not agree to that. Especially with a 60 minute timer to fight your way to that mob. Part of sharing the zone is not training another guilds raid, maliciously or not maliciously.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are talking specifically about racers then I can see that making sense.

If you are talking about training a guild that is fighting to a mob like Dagarn and your racer training them trying to get to triplets then no, I do not agree to that. Especially with a 60 minute timer to fight your way to that mob. Part of sharing the zone is not training another guilds raid, maliciously or not maliciously.

no im just referring to racer on racer issues beyond the north door. any guild that gets run over while inside north has a right to file a complaint.

[bktroost]

Oh, I'd also like to suggest a similar approach to Sontalak that we took to Vindi. On a repop I can see that being a problem.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I'd also like to suggest a similar approach to Sontalak that we took to Vindi. On a repop I can see that being a problem.

aftermath will not be hassling anyone over sontalak ftes