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[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I support capital punishment for shitposters like sOuR

Thats liberalism for ya.

Free speech for me but not for you. Off to the gas chamber with your First Amendment rights !!

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well he served 4+ years in prison and was deported. So according to the country with jurisdiction, yes he has been punished. The guy we're speaking of feels guilty because he feels the deportation is a second punishment, after the guy had already served time. We Americans can relate to that with how we feel about double jeopardy.

And I don't think I'm being particularly self righteous. I do think you guys are being assholes about this and making it a big joke. Which happens far too often when men are victims of sexual assault. And you didn't answer my question.

You're right. Forgiveness is a personal thing that can only be given by the victim in this case. And it's never a joke when anyone is raped, male or female. I get that. What I'm having a hard time with is why the victim is so much more concerned about the rapist being deported back to Somalia as 'added punishment'. Of course it's more punishment! Or rather, consequences, for his own actions. Don't be a scumbag rapist or we'll have to decline your request for asylum. Simple as that. Sexual predators always re-offend and rape is a devastating crime. No one in their right mind should be more concerned with the future prospects of a rapist being given asylum when there are decent law-abiding asylum-seekers waiting in line that wouldn't go around victimizing people in their host countries.

Yeah let's just forgive him and let him stay so he can rape someone else because his life has been so hard, it's not his fault he's the way he is... etc etc...Only next time he'll murder his victims after raping them to avoid being sent to prison again. He absolutely deserved to fuck off back to Somalia. He screwed up his life all by himself because he's an evil fuck. Good riddance. I don't feel sorry for violent criminals, especially rapists and pedophiles.

I feel badly for the victim in this case and really hope he's getting the best psychological support available. It was really brave of him to speak out. Most of the time men won't even report being raped so they won't get the help they need. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

All good, though pref better help than the kind of help that leads to being sad he gets deported. Regressive sjw help it seems to be in this case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That guy is one of the best people in the world and you're making fun of him for it. He was the victim of a horrible crime that wrecked his life (drug abuse and depression) and he is still human being enough to be concerned about the welfare of the person that did it to him.

Drug induced endorphin-seeking behavior.

Protracted opiate withdrawal and opiate abuse in general will make you cry, seek to right wrongs, and generally have you acting like an emotional wreck. It is considered a spiritual experience by ALL users of opiate and opioid drugs. In fact, most say this behavior is a requirement to staying clean. He may not have acted this way if he had not struggled with drugs.

If you have the life experience then you know:

One word sums this up: drugs

[Ennewi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sst0...&nohtml5=False

[Csihar]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Quran promotes DECEIT, and characterizes Allahibaba as the "Greatest Deceiver of all" LITERALLY (Sura 3:54) No where in the Bible does it promote deceit or characterize God as a LIAR.

Again I'm impressed by the capital letters.

"And the Lord said to him, 'How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.'" (1 Kings 22:22)

The Bible does promote deceit, as you can see above. Also genocide, child murder, slavery, the smashing of babies on the rocks, presenting your virgin daughters for rape to save others, animal abuse etc.

And that Sura 3:54 verse is something that an Arabic speaking person might argue as "the greatest planner of all".

Doesn't matter either way. If it is the correct translation then both promote deceit.

Do you have a response to my question? Why not read the actual Quran to know what it says instead of reading a book about what the Quran says? Jevovah is a terrible entity in both books though. A little better in some aspects and a little worse in other aspects depending on the book.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to compare the two holy books. The Koran is portrayed as the literal word of God, written down by a single individual--a single, perfect, cohesive narrative. You're not really even supposed to translate it. By contrast the various books which compose the Bible were written by many different people over the span of centuries. Even if you limit yourself strictly to the New Testament you're looking at multiple authors, who didn't always agree on everything, with the most prolific being the self-described apostle Paul. He was something of an angry man who made use of the then-small Christian movement for his own political ends after Jesus' death (they never met). Given his dominance of the New Testament and his influence on the early church, the Christian faith is really more of a Paulsian faith, but that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Simply put, if you argue with the Bible, you're simply arguing with Paul's or Luke's opinions and interpretations. If you argue with the Koran you're arguing against the (purported) direct word of God himself. The constant re-interpretations and infighting of the christian churches were one of the very issues Muhammed sought to resolve.

Danth

The fact that the Bible clearly has different authors and there are internal contradictions really only says something about its "authenticity" in terms of whether or not the Jewish and Christian faiths are true.

If you read the thing from front to back there is never any doubt that it's (just like the Quran but more poorly) presented as God's book. It's the guide to what God wants you to know and how He wants you to live.

The fact that so many people no longer take it literally has to do with a secular influence more than anything. It's difficult to square certain moral teachings in the Bible nowadays. It's difficult to square disease being the product of demons nowadays. There is ofcourse some serious debate about whether or not certain events are meant to be taken literally (The 7 day creation for example) but most events are presented as fact.
In a lot of the ways the Westborough Baptist Church is a proper representation of Christianity for example. It's not accurate to say "extremist" I think. I'd call most other Christians armchair Christians (that are going to hell according to the doctrine).
Same goes for Muslims and the Quran.

[Csihar]

So off-topic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daywolf]

Contributing to the OT in the OT https://youtu.be/fXZOPRcTqYU

[maskedmelon]

I don't think its useful to make fun of rape victims or draw comparisons between the Bible and the Qur'an because as my love points out, there are parallels when the two books are compared as a whole. I do think the man in OP is behaving foolishly though, but man always behaves foolishly when he abandons reason for principle.

The problems for Christianity are the dichotomy of the Old and New testaments, or the Tora and the teachings of Christ and his apostles. They offer two very different messages. The latter largely invalidates the former and that is important because it offers a mechanism within the ideology to unequivocally rebuke proponents of the former. Islam lacks that.

Additionally, most contemporary Protestant ministers teach passages from the Old Testament through a New Testament filter, because without Christ's perspective it's just Judaism, which has only been checked my millennia of persecution.

It honestly blows my mind though that most Christians do not favor a more liberal agenda given Christ's message of forgiveness and humility. It just goes to show that even with a tool for combatting disagreeable language, the presence of the language has a germane effect and offers an avenue for exploitation to which all ideologies are susceptible.

On of the problems for Islam, is (someone more versed in the Qur'an may correct me if I am wrong here) that one passage is no more authoritative than another. They are all words from the mouths of god and his apostle Mohammad. That means that even if you find a passage that preaches peace, there is nothing making it anymore valid than one preaching war. That is aside from the fact that most 'peaceful' language within the Qur'an is either concerned exclusively with Muslims or includes others in some underhanded fashion.

Christianity was stopped from being a global terror by disempowerment it and by extension minimizing the exploitation of it. There is no avenue to do that with Islam. It is a very real threat to humanity.

[Csihar]

Good post maskedmelon. There are reasons why Christianity will never be a threat on the same level as Islam but the difference doesn't really lie in the actual words.

Another thing I might add is that the Quran emphasizes the importance of actually following your Holy Book. It basically says the Jews receives the Word of God but didn't live up to His standards. The Christians received the Word of God and didn't live up to his standards. So now the Quran is more firm on living up to His standards. The Bible very clearly states that all these Sunday Christians who cherry-pick their passages are going to Hell so ultimately it has the same message but the Quran simply includes "REMINDER: ACTUALLY DO WHAT YOU'RE TOLD TO DO" every few pages.

Then there is also Arabic culture which slips in (I would argue that a lot of the women unfriendly attitude comes from that culture. The Quran is more pleasant for women than the Bible) and the political situation in the Middle East and North Africa. People have been invading Middle East for a very long time (pre-guns) and we're reaping the horrible fruits. It's a mixture of a lot of things + the religion.