Kurt Russell Gets It

[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In George Washington's day, only 14% of the male population owned guns. Why? Because one gun cost 2 months pay. And most of those guns were unusable. Why? Because they were improperly maintained. Even the ones that were usable were horrible for use. Why? Lousy accuracy and slow. Bows and arrows were still the best weapon.

In colonial America the majority of households owned two firearms. One to take out hunting and another to fend off the attacking Indian Tribes. Almost every home was on the 'frontier' back then.

Originally Posted by George_Costanza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy's a washup, and civilians carrying arms is not a right.

The amendment talks about a "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA". We have one of those even without you having access to high-capacity assault clips for a mass shooting.

What is a Militia?

Lets take a look at The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.

"I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."

In essence, the Militia consists of "We the People."

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No i went thru my states hunting courses and got liscened, nato rounds are shit for hunting, and especially with a AR 15 ment to spray and pray. The laws on the books make it illegal to be an asshat but that doesn't stop johnny reb from going out and spraying and praying without regard to whats downrange of their target, or even if they actually know what they are shooting at.

It would be better if they only allowed the use of approved buckshot rounds designed for hunting or similar rounds.

Then you have asshats doing shit like.

http://aattp.org/terrifying-new-bull...ing-the-r-i-p/ which probably circumvents the FMJ laws.

The AR15 nato rounds were designed to wound and be dangerous as fuck, they teach soldiers to aim or the ground/feet to cause maximum carnage and richoches if needed. (Yeah, centermass and all that) but that doesn't always translate into what happens for real.

The AR15 might be acceptable as a competition weapon but it's a shitty weapon to be in the hands of civillian for any other reason and there's way better competition rifles.

Sadly I'm familiar with firearms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And .22 or 5.56 would be the last round I would want for self defense from a bear or boar, they'd most likely not notice being shot unless you hit an artery, richochete off bone and cause massive internal dmg, or hit the brain/heart.

When was the last time you went hunting and someone was "spraying and praying"? I've been a hunter over 30 years... I've shot guns since I was 12 years old... I've spent a considerable time in the woods, and I have yet to see someone "spraying and praying."

[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No i went thru my states hunting courses and got liscened, nato rounds are shit for hunting, and especially with a AR 15 ment to spray and pray. The laws on the books make it illegal to be an asshat but that doesn't stop johnny reb from going out and spraying and praying without regard to whats downrange of their target, or even if they actually know what they are shooting at.

It would be better if they only allowed the use of approved buckshot rounds designed for hunting or similar rounds.

Then you have asshats doing shit like.

http://aattp.org/terrifying-new-bull...ing-the-r-i-p/ which probably circumvents the FMJ laws.

The AR15 nato rounds were designed to wound and be dangerous as fuck, they teach soldiers to aim or the ground/feet to cause maximum carnage and richoches if needed. (Yeah, centermass and all that) but that doesn't always translate into what happens for real.

The AR15 might be acceptable as a competition weapon but it's a shitty weapon to be in the hands of civillian for any other reason and there's way better competition rifles.

Sadly I'm familiar with firearms [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] rofl, right

And .22 or 5.56 would be the last round I would want for self defense from a bear or boar they'd most likely not notice being shot unless you hit an artery, richochete off bone and cause massive internal dmg, or hit the brain/heart.

Nato rounds? --You realize that 5.56 is the same size at .223? What matters is the bullet tip. FMJ is illegal to hunt with in most states and expanding tips are required. FMJ is however required under international law for war.

Spray and Pray? This isn't Counter-Strike. Fully automatic weapons are regulated by the federal government.

An "evil" AR15 shooting 5.56//.223 can take down a wild boar just fine (Although you stated before that there is NO GAME larger then a small dog in your area and now all of a sudden there is bear and boars? rofl) . Buck shot is ILLEGAL to use in my state in MOST areas and ruins the meat. Most people consider buckshot to be for women or children whom can't aim properly.

You never answered what a 'modded' AR15 is either.

PS- FMJ isn't illegal to own under federal law only ARMOR-PIERCING ammo is. Most modern rifle ammo used for hunting (FMJ or NOT) can pierce typical body armor but is exempt i.e. .30-06, .308, .270 etc.

TL;DR Stick to hunting mobs in Norrath.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by sOurDieSel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR Stick to hunting mobs in Norrath.

stick to posting here idiot http://1source.basspro.com/index.php/talk-forums/index

[sOurDieSel]

.22LR is different then a .223

.223 and 5.56 are the same size.

Not talking about the lead but 1/2 a dozen holes in the meat.

Sounds like you never hunted before TBH.

[iruinedyourday]

why is it that the most ignorant people are the ones that know the most about bullets.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were u live, i'm i the 'green swamp' area of central Florida, and we have a really high # of incidents and no were near enough officers for enforcement, poaching is also a big problem here and in the glades. I've literally seen really bad gun handling 1st hand on private property near two different locations 40 miles apart.

I was born and raised in Utah and I feel like the mormorns, that state has there shit together, and regulation is not a problem because of culture and population density. I wouldn't think people would be so dumb there, but it is a problem in select areas. Enough to warrant real state and local legislation to deal with it.

I spent most of my time in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. Although, I have been hunting in the everglades several times. I lived in South Dade County during the early 80s. Even there among the gator poachers I never saw "spraying and praying." I am beginning to think you are giving me anecdote from newspaper headlines. My point is that I seriously doubt your exaggerations are anything substantial. I don't deny there are idiots with guns and I certainly don't deny that hunting accidents occur, but their frequency is not what you would have us believe.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so minus the hunting issue, do you think we should be able to just own what we want? Do whatever we want? Not require some level of social responsibility. Obviously too few people are familiar enough with firearms to even make informed decisions and choices.

Gun laws need to be reformed to fix this and to cater to proper hunters, and proper civilian needs.

Not just whatever you can do FFA.

You and I have more agreement here than you may imagine. I don't think I should be able to own a modern tank and park it in my front yard. Even if I could afford an A7 Warthog, I don't think I should be able to own one that is fully operational. I am being ridiculous to make the point that there should be limitations. However, we aren't ever going to agree where the fine line should be drawn. That's just a fact.

As far as gun checks are concerned... I really don't mind them. I don't think someone convicted of a felony violent crime should be able to possess a firearm of any type. I also don't think someone who is under the care of a psychiatrist for severe mental illness should be able to possess a firearm.

Concerning gun laws... they don't need reform. They just need to be enforced. Right now an honest person with a clean record has a tough time buying even a long rifle in most states. Hell, when I was a kid I could buy a 30-30 off the shelf at Sears with out filing a single piece of paperwork. All I had to do was have one of my parents with me, or show my hunting license. That was it. My how attitudes have changed.

[sOurDieSel]

We need to abolish the 1934 National Firearms Act for starters or at least repeal the 1968 Hughes Amendment in the "Firearm Owners Protection Act."

Gun crime is at an all time low for the last 2 decades.

[iruinedyourday]

take it to these forums you fat fucks

http://1source.basspro.com/index.php/talk-forums/index